Glinner Bullseye comment on X

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Always trying to explain Glinner to DH, today he showed me on X JD Vance defending murder of the woman by ICE. Glinner had replied something like 'bullseye', as in agreement. I tried to comprehend with "satire?" but he said no he's on Liz truss show these days. I said well he's always been about protecting women and children, he's not suddenly supporting femicide, but the post convinced DH otherwise. Any insights? I'm not on social media

Sadly, I will say it has been somewhat illuminating. Interesting that they are both commenting with the same political bent on this. Of all the events to have a hot take on as well… Yuck.

I've met the Glinner and he's a very decent man.

He may be of the opinion that the woman was shot by the ICE agent because she refused to step out of the vehicle as requested and then attempted to drive off, not something I would do in her situation. Police and immigration officials are armed in the USA and you are supposed to do as they request or you risk being shot if you refuse. I don't think she deserved to die but I do not understand her refusal to step out of the vehicle once this was requested by a law enforcement officer.

No, there is no excuse for what they did. And I am honestly surprised that Glinner has posted what he has. It’s not just one post either.

I disagree. I don't agree with Graham on a number of his political views but that's true of just about everyone else I know. I've never met anyone with whom I am in 100% agreement.

Sorry? What!

Just responding to the concerns raised on this thread about a woman being shot dead with a single line about potntial loss of subs, seems a bit dismissive of how many on FWR have been disturbed and upset.

At least offer some explanation.

Twitter is never a good forum for serious discussion, and can lead to easily misinterpreted one liners.

That's not him

It’s a fake. Look closely.

That article is spot on.
Do you know, a decade or so ago I thought Brendan O'Neill was a dick, and probably a bit of an MRA. But he's spot on recently - some of the stuff he's written about the women/trans stuff has been top notch.
I don't know how we got here either - the cheering on of deaths of our political opponents - it's nowhere good.

The real Glinner has two Ns, not three. Someone's having a giraffe.

It's not the Glinner - there are 3 n's instead of 2 - just some troll looking for a laugh.

This isn't a comment particularly in response to the OP, and know nobody really knows exactly what happened.

So the demo was against ICE being on the streets.

Not sure why someone would participate by driving a car.

But as ICE were the forcus of the protest not a surprise that Renee Nicole Good and her wife gave ICE agents a bit of "lip" and her wife got out of the car to film it.

However whether police, national guards or whatever, they must have training to deal with demonstrators. (Not that we can hold UK police up as a gold standard.)

But even given the "lip" and the filming, and responding in a confused way to conflicting orders about whether to get out of the car or to drive away, to shoot her through the windscreen is totally unacceptable and exactly the reason why police or whoever should NOT be armed.

But then after this catastrophically over reaction by a supposed trained professional to have politicians talk about how he had had to take time off from work a year ago because of an incident involving a car, makes out not only was he as an individual in the wrong, but those in charge are in the wrong.

If someone doing this type of "security" work has lasting PTSD the very last place they should have been sent is to a situation where a similar incident should occur.

So not only is the shooter in the wrong, but the decision makers who let him lose on the street are equally culpable.

The US has become like one of those Hollywood disaster movies, or even zombie movies.

And the worse thing is knowing that Trump is, if educated by anything, is educated by crass US TV shows and movies where muscle bound empty headed male actors are glorified for "settling" disputes by killing everybody.

RIP Renee and all the others sacrificed to a man whose ego has swollen out an rational mental processes he may once have had.

(edited for many typos)

Having grown up going through checkpoints carried out by armed police on a daily basis, I can confirm that when you are told to do something by a police officer who has a rifle and a sidearm, and has armed colleagues and soldiers backing him up (and all of these people feel themselves to be in hostile territory and therefore feel jumpy because they consider themselves in potential danger), you do what you're told because they are not going to take it well if you don't. And you have to be acutely aware that there's always the chance that one of them ignores his training and is trigger happy.

It's a highly unpleasant (and demeaning) way to live, to have to be assessing your safety in this way but it's not sensible to mouth off or ignore the orders of armed police.

Thanks for those who spotted the glinner, glinnner, gliner whatever.

The problem for me is that as I cant even spot my own spelling mistakes recognising them in others is a bit hard.

Did seem a bit cheeky even by Glinner standards.

(Also suffer from malapropisms which can lead to difficult situations. And made school quite a challenge. eg being challenged by a teacher because I couldn't see the difference between baptist and papist.)

Norn Iron, I'm guessing?

Don’t be so ridiculous, Graham does not hate women

Bang on 👍

The childhood of a Gen Xer from Norn Iron is an interesting one to compare with people from other parts of ROI and GB 🤔

He was up in court charges with harassing a kid, repeatedly posts non-consensual graphic nudes of people he says are trans children, has made various racist comments, doesn't appear to have a life beyond transphobia...what more do you need? None of that is normal behaviour.

Man's a danger. Very obviously so.

In all honesty I'm not certain why people are surprised, gender critical is as a whole an incredibly right wing ideology, the majority of its major supporters are explicitly or implicitly incredibly righting using a veneer of the minority of left wing gender criticals to make their desire of total control and acess to female bodies and public presentation more appealing. The movement is primarily funded by American evangelicals, particularly anti-abortion extremists who don't believe women deserve control of their own bodies.

Regardless of how we feel about transgender people in single sex spaces the truth is that they were, have been and will continue to use those spaces unnoticed and its gender non conforming females that are going to be victimised over and over by rightwing men who feel entitled to try and look at our parts under the guise of 'helping us'. I'm still uncertain how I feel about it all and would consider myself gender critical but as the mask for those fronting this movement slips more and more I find I care far more about the much higher percentage of females getting attacked and assaulted for looking 'too manly' than I care about preventing the odd male in a dress quietly using a cubicle.

Though in all honesty I find some people involved in the gender critical movement care far more about wanting to hurt and be cruel to trans identified individuals than they do about protecting women. What purpose does glinner have with a harassment campaign against a 17 year old. Why did so many people in this movement react with pure glee at a teenagers brutal murder because the child was on 'the wrong side of the movement' I dont know. I'm a mother and if my children were hurting in such a way I wouldn't want them treated like that regardless of political opinion and my own lesbian daughter has already been assaulted twice for not looking 'feminine enough' to use the toilets

I unfollowed KJK a long time ago.

I recognise that she’s done great work in elevating (some)women’s voices and she has done a lot for the GC cause, particularly in the early days when no one dared question the TRAs.

However, KJK is a hardcore Trump fangirl and her views/tweets have gotten progressively more unpleasant and intolerant.

I’m GC because I think biology matters and that the safety, rights, and voices of women shouldn’t be swept aside in favour of men who express their identity differently. I don’t hate trans people, I just want them to stop impinging on women’s rights. KJK is full of utter bile towards anyone on the left (or even the centre). Although we might agree about the importance of biology, our motives, beliefs, and rationale are so very different I don’t feel comfortable supporting her. I don’t have to agree with everything someone says or does, but I do need to believe they are fundamentally a decent person. And I don’t think KJK is at all. Sadly.

He’s not transphobic. Read his book.

He does spend almost all day every day sexually harassing trans identifying individuals many of whom are as young as my own children talking at length to them about porn and posting nudes of people he believes to be underaged trans ID'd people often for the terrible crime of....being male and putting a dress on, something this movement used to claim it was fine with

I think you’re correct in saying that lots of the people in positions of authority who have been willing to publicly admit to being GC have been right-wing, certainly in recent years, but I think that’s changing.

However I think you’re wrong in saying it’s primarily a right-wing movement.

I think there are great swathes of left-wing women who are GC. Just look at the FWR boards - so many of us are politically homeless. Left-wing people in positions of power have been afraid to speak out for fear of being branded transphobic. Or, if I’m being cynical, they fear losing their supporters.

For many of us, the fact that fairly unpleasant individuals want to speak out for women’s rights is deeply uncomfortable. And we know they don’t really care about women - they’re as misogynistic as it gets - but it looks good and is an easy win for them. We would much rather hear GC left-wing voices and thankfully they are starting to appear.

If you want to blame anyone for gender-non-forming women being challenged (which still seems to be relatively rare), then blame the men who have insisted on invading women’s spaces.

Women have been raped and assaulted in single sex spaces by trans identifying men. Women taking part in sport have been seriously hurt by trans identifying men. Women who have been raped have been forced out of using rape crisis centres because trans identifying men refused to respect their dignity or acknowledge their trauma.

I’m genuinely and truly sorry for any woman who has her sex questioned, but the people to blame are the men who refuse to respect our legal rights. One woman raped or assaulted in a single sex space is one more than is acceptable. It is a hill I will die on.

So the sacrifice you're willing to make to avoid the possibility of a transgender male commiting an assault in the toilet, of which my extensive research due to my own concerns has produced none. Is the rapidly increasing rate of females being sexually assaulted by non trans identifying males.

In truth the only reason my daughter was not sexually by a non trans male in a pub toilet tearing at her clothes to see if 'she was really a woman' was her trans identifying friend put a firm stop to it and called me directly to come and get her home.

I think as a movement we really need to think about what is merely 'uncomfortable side effect' of the movement and what we shouldn't put up with. I'm uncomfortable with a movement that's growing more and more violently misogynistic in order to put less than 1% of primarily non violent males 'in their place' which to a growing number of the prominent figures in this movement I must add is 'their grave' single sex spaces are important and have their place but as this discussion ramps up in intensity all I can see how emboldened violent men on our side are to assault 'manly women' like my daughter and I want no part of it

Absolutely.

This is the reason I abandoned a GC position.