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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, awarded CBE for services to teenage education about sex and gender

60 replies

plantcomplex · 30/12/2025 11:05

Fumble promotes gender ideology.

"We’ve launched our transformative content series: “Am I trans?” Translating sex, identity & relationships, supporting trans+ and non-binary young people to access sex and relationships education that is relevant to their experiences and needs. Discover the full series here."

https://fumble.org.uk/whats-difference-sex-gender/

"Before we get started, let’s quickly talk about the difference between sex and gender:

Sex refers to your anatomy and biological characteristics – i.e. your chromosomes, hormones and genitalia

Gender relates to how you identify – how you feel in your heart and your head. It’s not what’s in your pants!"

Followed by the genderbread person.

https://fumble.org.uk/gender-non-conforming-ally/

"Another massive misconception is that trans men only transition so they can benefit from male privilege. Let’s call that out right now. Trans men are men. They just happened to be born into a body with biological traits (e.g. vagina and vulva) typically associated with being female."

https://fumble.org.uk/trans-men/

"One person I spoke to had their cervical screening done at the same time as their testosterone injection. This meant they had something more affirming in the same appointment. If you use hormones you can ask if this can be done for you too!"

https://fumble.org.uk/making-cervical-screening-easier-if-trans/

"There are many different genders to identify with, and just as many ways you might choose to express yourself. For some people, transition may begin and end with socially transitioning, but for others this might look a little different. For example, they may medically transition too."

https://fumble.org.uk/what-is-social-transitioning/

"What are TERFs?
You might have heard of the acronym TERF, which stands for ‘trans exclusionary-radical feminist’. TERFs exclude trans people (especially trans women) from the women’s rights movement, claiming that ‘real’ women are being sidelined once again in favour of ‘men’ who say they identify as women. They argue trans women can never understand what it is like to grow up as a cisgender woman, as they have never faced the same set of oppressions – because they’ve had the privilege of being seen as a ‘man’ within society.

It’s true that trans women have not grown up knowing what it’s like to be treated by society as a woman from birth. However, this DOES NOT mean they have lived their life with male privilege. It means they have faced a separate set of difficulties and different forms of discrimination called trans-misogyny.

Both cisgender women and transgender women suffer under the patriarchy. Just because one person’s fight is not exactly the same as your fight, does not make your fight less valid. This is something TERF groups need to learn. TERFs fighting against trans women is not going to help dismantle the patriarchy. All women, regardless of their gender assigned at birth, may face additional and interconnected oppressions in society, such as racism and ableism. We all need to work to be intersectional."

"Some people argue being trans is unnatural, or that it’s not the way we should live. They believe that biology dictates men are men, and women are women. It’s the same reasons a lot of these groups are homophobic. The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural."

"Trans rights and trans activism is important because trans people face an immense amount of discrimination, prejudice and hate in the form of transphobic language, attitudes, actions and laws – just because their gender is different to the one society assigned them."

https://fumble.org.uk/transphobia-what-is-it-how-to-challenge-it/

Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, for services to teenage education awarded CBE.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8d8zvpnejo

Transphobia – what is it and how can we challenge it?

We dive into the diverse experiences of trans individuals and offers insights on becoming allies and challenging transphobia effectively

https://fumble.org.uk/transphobia-what-is-it-how-to-challenge-it

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DamsonGoldfinch · 30/12/2025 22:26

Reading Whitehouse’s LinkedIn profile, it seems extraordinary that someone who was a beauty journalist set up a sex ed charity. No training in safeguarding, no training in education. I’d put money on her having a trans identified child.

HildegardP · 30/12/2025 23:44

When Blair said he wanted far more people going to uni, did he not realise that we were going to end up with a lot of credentialled middleclass midwits in need of an income?
And here we are, not just dim, bourgeois & in posession of a BA, but now a CBE for services to obfuscation & fibbing.

SionnachRuadh · 31/12/2025 00:06

From a quick browse at the Charity Commission, it looks like a relatively new charity that started out very small but rapidly gained a bit of money and managed to expand. Lucy Whitehouse seems to be a bit of a go getter in terms of securing publicity and financial support.

Comparing the earlier and later annual reports - which have so many brightly-coloured upbeat takes on Fumble's activities that it's like being transported into an episode of Hi-5 - the earliest one has a sharper focus on the stated mission (give "young people" RSE resources that aren't porn) with a side reference to "LGBT+ young people" as a group of interest. The most recent is all in on trans kids as a top priority.

This is just me looking at the corporate docs, not even their content.

PassportPanicFuuuck · 31/12/2025 00:16

JanesLittleGirl · 30/12/2025 12:03

OK Lucy. Can I extrapolate 'exist therefore natural' logic to 'murderers exist so murder is natural'?

Don't forget paedophiles. And rapists.

And Artificial Intelligence exists, so it must be natural, right?

DrBlackbird · 31/12/2025 01:29

EdithStourton · 30/12/2025 18:32

Undoing the march through the institutions is going to be a long, slow slog.

Will it ever be possible? I’m not sure that enough of our young people are sufficiently informed and aware of all the problems related to transgenderism and too many invested in perpetuating it. Dentons did an amazing job of strategising the whole campaign.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/12/2025 03:10

SionnachRuadh · 30/12/2025 23:29

Hmm. Just hmm. If you’re home schooling your children this summer, you can’t just forget about sex education | The Independent | The Independent

The thing that really jumps out at me here is the consistent use of "young people". It fits very well with the "children are just small adults" you find with certain people who want to work with and influence children, and have no concept of safeguarding.

Yes, exactly. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

deadpan · 31/12/2025 05:30

They always chuck in the "same as homophobia" line to try and make what they say make sense. I wonder if she's ever spoken to a "Terf", I know the answer to that but my point is, they say we should speak to trans people and they should be centered in any balanced viewpoints. They never speak to terfs though. If the did they'd find out that we aren't homophobic, we just don't accept their inaccurate version of biology.

Thingybob · 31/12/2025 06:30

Has anyone looked at the rest of Fumbles website? It seems to want to promote any sexual activity bar vanilla sex.

Do teenagers learning about sex need to learn techniques for good oral or anal sex? Or how to masturbate? Do they need to know what rimming is? Do they need to be able to identify every sex toy going? Then theres a whole section on lube which is apparently 'crucial for safe and pleasurable sex'

Surely the above with no mention of love is not giving a realistic idea of what a healthy sexual relationships looks like for the vast majority of us adults?

NumbersGuy · 31/12/2025 06:31

deadpan · 31/12/2025 05:30

They always chuck in the "same as homophobia" line to try and make what they say make sense. I wonder if she's ever spoken to a "Terf", I know the answer to that but my point is, they say we should speak to trans people and they should be centered in any balanced viewpoints. They never speak to terfs though. If the did they'd find out that we aren't homophobic, we just don't accept their inaccurate version of biology.

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

deadpan · 31/12/2025 06:57

@NumbersGuy The use of BAME has died a death because people referred to within have their own specifics and found it dehumanising to be "lumped" all together. Of course there's a difference between LGB and Trans, being a lesbian, gay or bi sexual is a sexual orientation as is heterosexuality. Being trans is a psychological condition based on gender dysphoria, which is why people who identify as such feel compelled to (rather than your suggestion that they want to) live as they imagine the opposite sex live. People's imagining is obviously open to their own interpretation, but it doesn't mean they've changed sex because humans can't.
Rules, laws and legislation need to be based on factual information and statistics for a functional society. It has nothing to do with "clutching pearls".
Maybe your own prejudices are getting in the way of appreciating the impact on women's lives.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/12/2025 08:51

plantcomplex · 30/12/2025 11:05

Fumble promotes gender ideology.

"We’ve launched our transformative content series: “Am I trans?” Translating sex, identity & relationships, supporting trans+ and non-binary young people to access sex and relationships education that is relevant to their experiences and needs. Discover the full series here."

https://fumble.org.uk/whats-difference-sex-gender/

"Before we get started, let’s quickly talk about the difference between sex and gender:

Sex refers to your anatomy and biological characteristics – i.e. your chromosomes, hormones and genitalia

Gender relates to how you identify – how you feel in your heart and your head. It’s not what’s in your pants!"

Followed by the genderbread person.

https://fumble.org.uk/gender-non-conforming-ally/

"Another massive misconception is that trans men only transition so they can benefit from male privilege. Let’s call that out right now. Trans men are men. They just happened to be born into a body with biological traits (e.g. vagina and vulva) typically associated with being female."

https://fumble.org.uk/trans-men/

"One person I spoke to had their cervical screening done at the same time as their testosterone injection. This meant they had something more affirming in the same appointment. If you use hormones you can ask if this can be done for you too!"

https://fumble.org.uk/making-cervical-screening-easier-if-trans/

"There are many different genders to identify with, and just as many ways you might choose to express yourself. For some people, transition may begin and end with socially transitioning, but for others this might look a little different. For example, they may medically transition too."

https://fumble.org.uk/what-is-social-transitioning/

"What are TERFs?
You might have heard of the acronym TERF, which stands for ‘trans exclusionary-radical feminist’. TERFs exclude trans people (especially trans women) from the women’s rights movement, claiming that ‘real’ women are being sidelined once again in favour of ‘men’ who say they identify as women. They argue trans women can never understand what it is like to grow up as a cisgender woman, as they have never faced the same set of oppressions – because they’ve had the privilege of being seen as a ‘man’ within society.

It’s true that trans women have not grown up knowing what it’s like to be treated by society as a woman from birth. However, this DOES NOT mean they have lived their life with male privilege. It means they have faced a separate set of difficulties and different forms of discrimination called trans-misogyny.

Both cisgender women and transgender women suffer under the patriarchy. Just because one person’s fight is not exactly the same as your fight, does not make your fight less valid. This is something TERF groups need to learn. TERFs fighting against trans women is not going to help dismantle the patriarchy. All women, regardless of their gender assigned at birth, may face additional and interconnected oppressions in society, such as racism and ableism. We all need to work to be intersectional."

"Some people argue being trans is unnatural, or that it’s not the way we should live. They believe that biology dictates men are men, and women are women. It’s the same reasons a lot of these groups are homophobic. The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural."

"Trans rights and trans activism is important because trans people face an immense amount of discrimination, prejudice and hate in the form of transphobic language, attitudes, actions and laws – just because their gender is different to the one society assigned them."

https://fumble.org.uk/transphobia-what-is-it-how-to-challenge-it/

Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, for services to teenage education awarded CBE.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8d8zvpnejo

What a load of utter bullshit.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/12/2025 08:52

NumbersGuy · 31/12/2025 06:31

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

What process.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/12/2025 08:53

If I'd known we'd be getting a pearl clutching accusation I'd have dug out my 2023 username for nostalgia.

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2025 09:20

It’s a real mystery to me as to why heterosexual men would “go through the process” of self declaring themselves as lesbians (by uttering four words only and have all the gender ideologues back them). Completely baffling. Can’t think of a single explanation for it at all. My mind is a complete blank….

But sure, it’s “terfs” who are homophobic 🙄

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/12/2025 09:37

PassportPanicFuuuck · 31/12/2025 00:16

Don't forget paedophiles. And rapists.

And Artificial Intelligence exists, so it must be natural, right?

Don't forget bridges. Natural bridges exist, therefore all bridges are natural.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 31/12/2025 09:52

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/12/2025 09:37

Don't forget bridges. Natural bridges exist, therefore all bridges are natural.

Plastic exists and so it's natural. We can stop worrying about plastic waste.

MarieDeGournay · 31/12/2025 10:15

NumbersGuy · 31/12/2025 06:31

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

NumbersGuy is probably like Omar Khayyám's moving finger and has moved on:
“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”

A much nicer way of saying 'plopper', isn't it?😄

The first flaw in NumbersGuy's argument is that the acronym 'LGBT' is a recent and contested one. As PP's have pointed out, there is a fundamental difference between being lesbian and gay, and being trans. It's not 'cherry-picking' to say that the T does not belong with the LGB - different characteristics, different communities, different histories, different issues, hence the LGB✂T movement.

'TERFs are considered homophobic' - I'm sure they are by NumbersGuy, but anybody who thinks that obviously knows little about TERFs, or about homophobia.

The most rampant, shameless homophobia on display in this debate is the 'cherry-picking of the 'L' in LGBT - the denial of lesbian's right to self-determination and our own identity as same-sex-attracted women - sometimes rejecting our very presence at LGBT events.

Yet another reason for LGB✂T!

Seethlaw · 31/12/2025 10:19

NumbersGuy · 31/12/2025 06:31

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

why in the world trans people would want to go through this process

You're being transphobic. There's no process through which it's necessary to go to be able to declare oneself trans. There's just the uttering of the words, "I am trans". That's it; that's the whole process.

when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm,

Trans people are safer than women in the UK.

willing to risk losing their family and friends,

Those family and friends are toxic if they are transphobic, so it's better to lose them anyway.

and employment

That would be illegal.

by choosing this path

Again, you're being transphobic. Being trans is something someone is, not something someone does. There's no path; there's just a state of being trans.

to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society

Since they want extra rights, they clearly don't want to be considered just "normal".

You might want to reconsider your transphobia.

Justme56 · 31/12/2025 10:52

I think Numbers should do a bit of reading up on Fumble. Here’s a start

Defining ‘gender’ is tricky – it can mean so many things! It’s a feeling inside us, a part of our identity, and it can also describe how we see ourselves. We may express our gender through the clothes we wear, our haircut, or by wearing make-up. It’s also worth saying that although we might express our gender identity through our physical appearance, not everyone expresses gender this way and the only way of truly knowing someone’s gender is if they tell you.

Gender Identity: What Is It? (incl. Cisgender, Transgender, Non-Binary)

Gender is the word for the socially constructed ideas about human behaviour, actions and roles in relation to ideas of ‘masculinity’ and ‘femininity’. The way you feel about your gender is called your gender identity.

https://www.brook.org.uk/your-life/what-is-gender-identity/

Datun · 31/12/2025 10:58

Seethlaw · 31/12/2025 10:19

why in the world trans people would want to go through this process

You're being transphobic. There's no process through which it's necessary to go to be able to declare oneself trans. There's just the uttering of the words, "I am trans". That's it; that's the whole process.

when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm,

Trans people are safer than women in the UK.

willing to risk losing their family and friends,

Those family and friends are toxic if they are transphobic, so it's better to lose them anyway.

and employment

That would be illegal.

by choosing this path

Again, you're being transphobic. Being trans is something someone is, not something someone does. There's no path; there's just a state of being trans.

to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society

Since they want extra rights, they clearly don't want to be considered just "normal".

You might want to reconsider your transphobia.

Nicely done

Datun · 31/12/2025 10:59

Justme56 · 31/12/2025 10:52

I think Numbers should do a bit of reading up on Fumble. Here’s a start

Defining ‘gender’ is tricky – it can mean so many things! It’s a feeling inside us, a part of our identity, and it can also describe how we see ourselves. We may express our gender through the clothes we wear, our haircut, or by wearing make-up. It’s also worth saying that although we might express our gender identity through our physical appearance, not everyone expresses gender this way and the only way of truly knowing someone’s gender is if they tell you.

the only way of truly knowing someone’s gender is if they tell you.

Lord above, I'll say one thing for this ideology, it's bleeding convenient

PassportPanicFuuuck · 31/12/2025 11:32

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/12/2025 09:37

Don't forget bridges. Natural bridges exist, therefore all bridges are natural.

It's such a piss-poor analogy/argument. The sort of thing Helen Webberley would say.

But similar to rhetoric used by TRAs all the time: "Well I have the paperwork that says I'm a woman and I think I'm made of biological stuff, so..." [Smirk, smirk.] Yeah, that's really not as clever as you think it is.

Dragonasaurus · 31/12/2025 12:52

NumbersGuy · 31/12/2025 06:31

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

@NumbersGuy You should be so embarrassed by your inability to think through a logical argument. LG people (like most people actually) define their dating pool based on a prospective partner’s sex. Gender identity tries to force gender as the primary focus rather than sex - claiming LG people (but obviously mostly lesbians) should be open to dating (and more) based on someone’s identity. It’s not just a bit homophobic, homophobia is at its very core.

If you’re going to come here and scold, you need at least to string a coherent argument together.

EdithStourton · 31/12/2025 17:13

DrBlackbird · 31/12/2025 01:29

Will it ever be possible? I’m not sure that enough of our young people are sufficiently informed and aware of all the problems related to transgenderism and too many invested in perpetuating it. Dentons did an amazing job of strategising the whole campaign.

I think reality will slowly wake a lot of them up - I bloody hope so, anyway!