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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, awarded CBE for services to teenage education about sex and gender

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plantcomplex · 30/12/2025 11:05

Fumble promotes gender ideology.

"We’ve launched our transformative content series: “Am I trans?” Translating sex, identity & relationships, supporting trans+ and non-binary young people to access sex and relationships education that is relevant to their experiences and needs. Discover the full series here."

https://fumble.org.uk/whats-difference-sex-gender/

"Before we get started, let’s quickly talk about the difference between sex and gender:

Sex refers to your anatomy and biological characteristics – i.e. your chromosomes, hormones and genitalia

Gender relates to how you identify – how you feel in your heart and your head. It’s not what’s in your pants!"

Followed by the genderbread person.

https://fumble.org.uk/gender-non-conforming-ally/

"Another massive misconception is that trans men only transition so they can benefit from male privilege. Let’s call that out right now. Trans men are men. They just happened to be born into a body with biological traits (e.g. vagina and vulva) typically associated with being female."

https://fumble.org.uk/trans-men/

"One person I spoke to had their cervical screening done at the same time as their testosterone injection. This meant they had something more affirming in the same appointment. If you use hormones you can ask if this can be done for you too!"

https://fumble.org.uk/making-cervical-screening-easier-if-trans/

"There are many different genders to identify with, and just as many ways you might choose to express yourself. For some people, transition may begin and end with socially transitioning, but for others this might look a little different. For example, they may medically transition too."

https://fumble.org.uk/what-is-social-transitioning/

"What are TERFs?
You might have heard of the acronym TERF, which stands for ‘trans exclusionary-radical feminist’. TERFs exclude trans people (especially trans women) from the women’s rights movement, claiming that ‘real’ women are being sidelined once again in favour of ‘men’ who say they identify as women. They argue trans women can never understand what it is like to grow up as a cisgender woman, as they have never faced the same set of oppressions – because they’ve had the privilege of being seen as a ‘man’ within society.

It’s true that trans women have not grown up knowing what it’s like to be treated by society as a woman from birth. However, this DOES NOT mean they have lived their life with male privilege. It means they have faced a separate set of difficulties and different forms of discrimination called trans-misogyny.

Both cisgender women and transgender women suffer under the patriarchy. Just because one person’s fight is not exactly the same as your fight, does not make your fight less valid. This is something TERF groups need to learn. TERFs fighting against trans women is not going to help dismantle the patriarchy. All women, regardless of their gender assigned at birth, may face additional and interconnected oppressions in society, such as racism and ableism. We all need to work to be intersectional."

"Some people argue being trans is unnatural, or that it’s not the way we should live. They believe that biology dictates men are men, and women are women. It’s the same reasons a lot of these groups are homophobic. The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural."

"Trans rights and trans activism is important because trans people face an immense amount of discrimination, prejudice and hate in the form of transphobic language, attitudes, actions and laws – just because their gender is different to the one society assigned them."

https://fumble.org.uk/transphobia-what-is-it-how-to-challenge-it/

Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, for services to teenage education awarded CBE.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8d8zvpnejo

Transphobia – what is it and how can we challenge it?

We dive into the diverse experiences of trans individuals and offers insights on becoming allies and challenging transphobia effectively

https://fumble.org.uk/transphobia-what-is-it-how-to-challenge-it

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Justwrong68 · 31/12/2025 21:04

All women, regardless of their gender assigned at birth, may face additional and interconnected oppressions in society, such as racism and ableism. We all need to work to be intersectional."
"Some people argue being trans is unnatural, or that it’s not the way we should live. They believe that biology dictates men are men, and women are women. It’s the same reasons a lot of these groups are homophobic.

how can you be assigned a gender if it’s a feeling?

PassportPanicFuuuck · 31/12/2025 21:32

NumbersGuy · 31/12/2025 06:31

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

  1. LGBT is not an acronym;
  2. Muslim is not a race;
  3. Trans is not a sexuality;
  4. Trans is not a process (apparently...).
ArabellaSaurus · 31/12/2025 21:52

SionnachRuadh · 30/12/2025 23:29

Hmm. Just hmm. If you’re home schooling your children this summer, you can’t just forget about sex education | The Independent | The Independent

The thing that really jumps out at me here is the consistent use of "young people". It fits very well with the "children are just small adults" you find with certain people who want to work with and influence children, and have no concept of safeguarding.

Steve Buscemi Youth GIF

Also, the teens I know find it patronising and disengenuous. They know they are legally children, and as one pointed out when discussing exactly this subject, tend to grow out of needing to pretend they are older than they are by about age 14.

So they ridicule 'young people'. Nobody falls for adults trying to pander.

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 16:07

PriOn1 · 30/12/2025 11:13

The grift goes on.

I wonder whether gender ideology will eventually implode under the weight of its own bullshit, or whether it will become ingrained as the new, post-scientific normal.

I hope for the former. If the latter prevails, I hope I am not alive long enough to see where it will all end.

It may end where Brave New World went, with artificial wombs. With the additional jolly of women being demoted to a subset of transwomen.

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 16:14

PassportPanicFuuuck · 31/12/2025 00:16

Don't forget paedophiles. And rapists.

And Artificial Intelligence exists, so it must be natural, right?

Dangerous argument. Murder is natural. So is rape. So is paedophilia. All exist in nature e.g. what do you think is going on when a lion ousts his predecessor, kills his cubs and takes the lionesses as his?
Although 'it exists' does not equal 'natural', a lot of things we wish did not exist are natural i.e. they are part of the way animals behave in their natural state. Nature does not equal good.
The point to stick with is that 'trans' is a work of imagination. Not real.

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 16:18

Justme56 · 30/12/2025 12:06

If women are terrified of people who they see as men using women’s bathrooms, then we have a much bigger issue than trans women using the same space. This is an indicator of how scared women can be to be alone in enclosed spaces with men – and this is a very real issue. Therefore, the bathroom argument really isn’t about a fear of trans women. It is a fear of men. A fear of rape culture. A fear of gendered violence. And that is the real conversation we should be having.

🤷🏻‍♀️

Sexual violence, not gendered violence. I see the CAB is captured.

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 16:22

Thingybob · 31/12/2025 06:30

Has anyone looked at the rest of Fumbles website? It seems to want to promote any sexual activity bar vanilla sex.

Do teenagers learning about sex need to learn techniques for good oral or anal sex? Or how to masturbate? Do they need to know what rimming is? Do they need to be able to identify every sex toy going? Then theres a whole section on lube which is apparently 'crucial for safe and pleasurable sex'

Surely the above with no mention of love is not giving a realistic idea of what a healthy sexual relationships looks like for the vast majority of us adults?

If you decide that sex is only recreational, with no consequences, and that whatever is pleasurable can be done then that's where you end up. Sex becomes something you do with anyone for no reason but you fancy some pleasure, the same as buying a take-away or watching a film.
Shallow.

PassportPanicFuuuck · 01/01/2026 17:38

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 16:14

Dangerous argument. Murder is natural. So is rape. So is paedophilia. All exist in nature e.g. what do you think is going on when a lion ousts his predecessor, kills his cubs and takes the lionesses as his?
Although 'it exists' does not equal 'natural', a lot of things we wish did not exist are natural i.e. they are part of the way animals behave in their natural state. Nature does not equal good.
The point to stick with is that 'trans' is a work of imagination. Not real.

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You sound like you're disagreeing with me?

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 17:46

PassportPanicFuuuck · 01/01/2026 17:38

You sound like you're disagreeing with me?

I don't think I am? I am saying just because something is natural it doesn't make it good, or something we should be doing. And also that trans ideology is an ideology of the (pretty unimaginative) imagination, and not 'natural' in the sense TRAs want to say it is (and that even if it were, that's a bad argument for accepting it).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/01/2026 00:08

MarieDeGournay · 31/12/2025 10:15

NumbersGuy is probably like Omar Khayyám's moving finger and has moved on:
“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”

A much nicer way of saying 'plopper', isn't it?😄

The first flaw in NumbersGuy's argument is that the acronym 'LGBT' is a recent and contested one. As PP's have pointed out, there is a fundamental difference between being lesbian and gay, and being trans. It's not 'cherry-picking' to say that the T does not belong with the LGB - different characteristics, different communities, different histories, different issues, hence the LGB✂T movement.

'TERFs are considered homophobic' - I'm sure they are by NumbersGuy, but anybody who thinks that obviously knows little about TERFs, or about homophobia.

The most rampant, shameless homophobia on display in this debate is the 'cherry-picking of the 'L' in LGBT - the denial of lesbian's right to self-determination and our own identity as same-sex-attracted women - sometimes rejecting our very presence at LGBT events.

Yet another reason for LGB✂T!

Beautifully expressed!

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