Has anyone divorced their spouse for not understanding gender critical views?

[PinkTreeFrog]

It is a major point of difference, along with others that I will omit in this thread for clarity. Generally, values aligned at marriage but became distinct over the past decade.

Why the second thread?

Because the first is overrun with discussion of Islam rather than the original question of whether people have divorced over divergent values involving women's rights.

Why have you reposted the same question twice? The first thread wasn’t overrun, it was trying to understand whether your husband is simply tolerant and you’re the one with the close minded views.

Is this a dem v repub level thing ?

I think that is important because US politics are both wider and more factional than in the UK. There is a lot more policy overlap between the UK Tories and Labour than there is with the US Progressive left and Maga folk.

I am in the US, so it is more divisive. I am a former Dem disheartened by the misogyny and destructiveness of the left in recent years. I voted red for medical freedom and an end to the mutilation of children in the name of gender identity. Have also had issues with the pro-Pal movement both in my marriage and our former community of faith (Quaker). About to go through final divorce paperwork and just reflecting on the state of things.

Thanks for the reply. That makes it a lot clearer now.

So it was you that changed over, and not your spouse.

And I have noticed I am in the feminism chat, where I really should not be, so I will respectfully bow out.

As you are ex Quakers, I doubt you have gone full MAGA. And your spouse is more aligned to the pacifist side. But you have moved to single issue voting issues. Fair enough.

The funny thing is that I don't think I've changed. These were not hot button issues when we married.

We didn't leave the left, the left left us. It's not us who have changed.

Nah. This is US politics we are talking here.

Remember Reagan and his bipartisan Immigration and Reform and Control act, the largest in US history that created a path to citizenship for 2.7 million undocumented folk, His " tear down this wall" speech, Remember when the Repub POTUS would say " We are the keepers of the flame of liberty. We hold it high tonight for the world to see, a beacon of hope, a light unto the nations. " ?

Then the evangelicals took over, that led to the tea party, and now it's MAGA. The Overton window has shot well over to the right. Now the Repub POTUS sends this out for his Christmas message, while the progressive left struggle to get the Government to even keep SNAP going.

For sure LGBTQ rights have become real, but the people have always been here. We just don't ostracize folk now, or we are not supposed to. Same with civil rights overall.

Remember its well within living memory since Loving V Virgina (1967), desegregation, even voting rights. Same sex marriage is only 10 years old.

What has changed if that these rights people have fought for have been weaponized by the right. They want women back at the kitchen sink, for Black folk not to be able to vote, and for gay folk to be shoved back in the closet.

The repubs invented the culture war. Really, because they have nothing else to offer.

The repubs invented the culture war. Really, because they have nothing else to offer.

No, that’s a lazy deflection to avoid looking at democrats role in their own demise. They still refuse to acknowledge their own role in it.

In simple terms Gender Identity ( not LGB rights) is a vote loser (just ask Nicola Sturgeon) and the Democrats are blind, deaf and brain dead to that fact. All the time you insist that men are women on their own say-so, when you know perfectly well it isn’t true, potential voters will see a party that has abandoned reality.
It doesn’t make you clever to go along with TWAW - it makes you stupid and a liar.

If it is just a view or ambivalence, I wouldn't see it as a divorcing point. If your DH was trying to make you behave in certain ways then I'd understand it. I'm GC. My DH is just not interested in the issue.

Sorry but I don't get this thread. Do you mean gender critical as in saying that we are born male or female (biological sex) and then society is pushing us into be a certain way because of it? And your husband thinks that women are born with Pink dresses and cooking/cleaning skills? If so I think there is hope.

My DH comes from a patriarchial family structure. I have shown him that he's got better sense of style and decoration than me. And I beat him on soccer and endurance. Just some examples. If he"d maintained his views it would have made him into a woman gender wise so he came around.

Nah. The repubs really do have nothing, They just want tax breaks for their doners. They invented the culture wars to deflect. To create fear and division.

Even MTG has bailed MAGA because it does nothing for the people of the US.

And yet getting a 600% price drop somehow makes, not more sense but, less nonsense than “TWAW and we’ll ruin your life if you disagree”.

If you were to know that the people who want your vote think you’re part of a basket of deplorables regardless of what you put in your ballot paper, I can understand why the say A plague on both your houses/Fuck you.

Do you think it is actually possible to change sex?

… or to put it another way: I would not really disagree with your analysis as to donors getting looked after and The Republicans having nothing - but that means the democrats need to really listen as to why they are currently unelectable. They have been told millions of times and they (including you) are going La La La Bigots. Read my lips Gender Identity Makes you Unelectable.

You sound unhinged. I campaigned for same sex marriage. The same friends that I stood with (LG) are against gender ideology and I understand why. One is about same-sex attraction and the other is not.

I think I posted in the wrong thread. Seriously.

I think you've got completely the wrong end of the stick and/or you don't understand what "gender critical" means as a belief.

It refers to the belief that biological sex is a real and immutable fact. It is directly opposed to the "gender identity" belief that sex is not real and that only "gender" ( an invented social construct) is significant.

People who are gender critical reject the idea that people can have a gender identity that is at odds with their biological sex - so they reject ideas like transwomen are women; that people can be born into bodies of the wrong sex; that people can self-identify as being of the opposite sex to their biological sex etc.

It's got nothing to do with stereotypical gender roles - except insofar as some proponents of "gender identity" seem to think that if someone adheres to behaving in accordance with commonly accepted gender norms, then that makes that person that gender.

I am flouncing. Unhinged ?

Right you are.

The only time I could imagine gender ideology leading to divorce is when the husband believes in it so much that he decides to get a sex change.

Thank you. I wasn't being deliberately obtuse. I understood it as being critical of stereotypes as to what is masculine/feminine. In that case I would be gender critical because I consider myself a feminist.
But with your explanation I'm still gender critical because ofcourse you're always scientifically a woman or a man no matter what you fancy to call yourself- it's in your dna so can't be changed.

Don't need to imagine anything when it's on record that Linehan's GC views were at least partly behind him being divorced.

You voted red for medical freedom? So I take it you don’t think abortion is medical healthcare and childbearing age women and girls should be forced to birth babies even if they fall pregnant by a rapist?

You know that Trump has stopped the VA from performing abortions? So even female soldiers who put their lives on the line to defend your freedom have lost a key reproductive right.
https://democrats-veterans.house.gov/news/press-releases/ranking-member-takano-and-democratic-colleagues-condemn-vas-decision-to-reinstate-near-total-abortion-ban

I guess voting for millions of women to lose medical rights and being forced into parenthood is better than voting for less than 1% of women and men getting plastic surgery and hormones at their own expense.