Has anyone divorced their spouse for not understanding gender critical views?

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It is a major point of difference, along with others that I will omit in this thread for clarity. Generally, values aligned at marriage but became distinct over the past decade.

I was thinking more of your internet company. The kind of company that teaches to:

• "Stay in your lane!"
• Use emotive arguments.
• See every debate as a battle to be won or lost.
• Assume that no pro-women people can be lib left.

The women here are not like that. We are forceful, but we're not looking to crush you. If you want to discuss, you will find several of us willing to explain where we come from; several have already started to do so in previous posts. You don't have to be defeated, because it doesn't have to be a fight in the first place.

What can I say ? I am sorry for speaking out of place.

I felt a bit triggered when I saw this in the post I was replying to. Quote " It means gay, autistic and troubled children being sterilised. "

It brought out my thoughts on gay conversion therapy, and it is suggestive of the "mental illness" thing I see mentioned a lot on this subject, on this forum.

I don't post on GC stuff, not my place. I am only in this thread because the OP had started a thread on GC and Islam, and I followed it over. That's all. I was originally exploring the OPs position on Islam.

On the subject of GC, would you agree that it is a broad umbrella ? That it does include actual transphobes, anti gay, religious fanatics etc. Not everyone is in it for women's rights ? And hey, I follow a lot of US politics, and over there the religious component is substantial.

Of course it does. If we use the term GC to refer to the group of people who don't believe men can be women, then you're including the vast majority of the world's population under that umbrella. Which is obviously going to include a few wrong 'uns and undesirables.

I felt a bit triggered when I saw this in the post I was replying to. Quote " It means gay, autistic and troubled children being sterilised. "

It brought out my thoughts on gay conversion therapy, and it is suggestive of the "mental illness" thing I see mentioned a lot on this subject, on this forum.

Yes, there's a lot to be said about conversion therapy, though obviously TRAs and GC people don't agree on which side is practicing it. GC women on this board want to protect all children, whether they are neurodivergent or not, traumatised or not, or have any other kind of problem or not, from undergoing treatments that will render them sterile for life, and possibly severely impact their sexual life as well. If they still want to undergo those treatments once they turn 18, then so be it, but we think it's the adults' job to get them to adulthood in a state where they can still choose.

Thank you for explaning how you got here. It helps put things into perspective.

On the subject of GC, would you agree that it is a broad umbrella ? That it does include actual transphobes, anti gay, religious fanatics etc. Not everyone is in it for women's rights ?

Hmm, I'm not the best person to answer that, and I hope others will chime in... The way I understand it at this moment in time, is: if we're talking about the "gender critical" movement, not specifically "feminism", then yes, it seems it covers all those people. But GC feminism, which is what the women on this board are about, is very specifically about the confrontation between maintaining women's rights and granting the new rights TRAs demand for trans people.

As for what's going on in the US: the way I see it, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, you know? I happen to agree with what they are doing on this very specific topic, but not with the reasons why they are doing it, which is frankly an odd situation to be in.

So what trans rights are you asking for?

Trans people are protected under the UK Equality Act 2010 against losing their job/home/be denied service in a restaurant or shop for being transgender. The relevant protected characteristic here is 'Gender Reassignment'. This is largely uncontroversial.

Are you happy with that level of protection for transgender people in the UK? Do you agree that trans women (men who identify as women) should be excluded from all women's spaces such as as women's prisons/sports/refuges/changing rooms?

The large majority of women posting here support trans women keeping all the rights they had as a man. AND they strongly oppose trans rights activists insisting that 'transitioning' must give trans women extra rights and hence access to women-only spaces.

And if one comes across a post that is suggestive of a "wrong'un", is it called out ?

After all, GC is not binary, ironically. Most things are on a scale, with the crossover line from good to bad varying from person to person.

Some folk will say " Trans is an abomination to God", some will say " most trans are ok but they should know their place", others " Its a fetish, a fashion, a commie plan to destabilize society".

I have a rough idea where my line is between what is transphobic and what is reasonable. And to me the suggestion that It " means gay, autistic and troubled children being sterilised" is on the wrong side.

That is all.

@RedTagAlan I don't post on GC stuff, not my place.

You have as much right to post here as anyone else. There are many very wise and well-informed women on this site. @Seethlaw is one of them. If you interact in a genuine way using critical reasoning then you will enhance everyone's experience.

Called out by whom? If you mean on this board, everyone is an individual and will have their own ideas of where their line is, and will call out crossing that line if they see fit. There aren't any group rules about it.

And to me the suggestion that It " means gay, autistic and troubled children being sterilised" is on the wrong side.

It's the trans rights activists who are encouraging gay, autistic and troubled children to be sterilised. The GC posters on this board are the ones campaigning to prevent it.

"I have a rough idea where my line is between what is transphobic and what is reasonable. And to me the suggestion that It " means gay, autistic and troubled children being sterilised" is on the wrong side."

Is it possible you've misunderstood what that poster was actually saying @RedTagAlan ?

Just for clarity, she's saying we on this board think they should not be sterilised.

Cross posted with @spannasaurus

I think the sentence has been misunderstood

If my husband believed that people could change sex and that men had the right to enter women’s spaces/play in women’s sports etc I would probably lose so much respect for him that it would lead to divorce tbh!

I couldn’t stay with someone so stupid.

TBH, I think that's really one for GC folk to debate.

And note, I said "I think". Outside of physical science etc, there is not much I am binary on.

What's there to debate? Sterilising children is wrong or do you not think so?

Debate what?

We're asking if you misunderstood the poster's sentence about sterilisation. That's all.

Are children being sterilised ?

Yes

OP is in the USA

The UK's Equality Act 2010 does not apply where the OP lives

Last November the OP, disgusted by the Gender / Identity / dire candidate offered up by the Dems
voted for Trump.

I also had that choice.
I read Project 2025 and saw what was coming down the track if he was elected.
And it has.

I held my nose and voted for Harris.
I am still furious that the DNC are in utter denial about their failings
but could not hold my head up if I had voted for the orange one.

Single Issue Voting is the absolute absolute luxury belief.

Yes, unfortunately.

Children are first put on puberty blockers, which means they never develop their adult sexual organs, nor grow their sexual gametes to maturity. Then they go onto cross-sex hormones, which only reinforces those effects.

Then as barely adults, they are encouraged to undergo massive genital surgeries, which renders them absolutely sterile for life, even should they change their minds and go off the cross-sex hormones.

So it's not actual children who are going under the knife ?

The puberty blockers and cross sex hormones can sterilise children even if they have no surgery

Jazz Jennings had genital surgery live on TV at age 15

Medicare data shows that thousands of double mastectomies have been performed on under 18s

Depends.

1. Under the sterilising knife, to the best of my knowledge (and hope), no. But many girls under 18 do get a double mastectomy.
2. Under the sterilising medicine, however, yes. As I said, puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones sterilise the child for as long as they are taken. And there are no studies into the long-term effects on fertility of taking them for years during puberty, and then reverting to natural hormones.

As per this Harvard Article
gender affirming surgery on children is rare
but happens - which it should not
https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

If children take puberty blockers this stops both the brain and the physical body from maturing to adulthood. They can stay both looking and thinking as a child does, even though they will become old enough to legally consent to sex. This is, of course, a massive red flag and safeguarding risk.

Puberty blockers are, rightly, no longer routinely prescribed to children as part of 'gender affirming care'. But a hotly contested UK trial IS due to start this month.

Data from the Tavistock Centre showed that well over 90% of children placed on puberty blockers then went on to take cross sex hormones. So puberty blockers didn't provide the expected 'time to think' but instead locked the child onto a pathway to sterility and a lifelong dependence on medication.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-5528211

So, yes, children were being sterilised as part of their 'gender affirming care'.