Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

[PinkTreeFrog]

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

Hiding your beauty is misogynistic. Showing your beauty is misogynistic. Tops with your boobs half showing are for women not men, because it’s‘attractive’. Attractive to who? We can pretend it’s just for each other and it sort of is, but it’s still wirhin women’s fashion with the knowing gaze of a man. It just all goes round in circles.

I wonder if young women cutting off their breasts and growing a beard is another form of burka - to help them avoid the male gaze and lust with images of violent porn acts mingling in their male thought bubbles.

So sorry @Judgejudysno1fan tgat was not a direct answer to you. I quoted you by mistake. I meant the poster you were answering.

That’s more than the Talmudic tradition of my religion where women were barred from being witnesses in criminal or civil cases with only a few exceptions.
https://www.sefaria.org/Rereading_the_Rabbis%3B_A_Woman's_Voice%2C_9_Testimony.4?lang=bi

It doesn’t matter what we wear, we always end up judged on what we were wearing when men react with violence. I think you would benefit from looking at the What Were You Wearing Exhibit.
https://sbaproject.org/what-were-you-wearing/

It will open your eyes to the fact that we are subjugated no matter what we are wearing or not wearing.

You are a bit confused,
The Old Testament is part of the Talmud- Jewish holy book.
The New Testament was later and is for Christianity. The New Testament doesn’t entirely “over ride” the old
The Quaran came after Christianity. Islam is the most recent and most modern version of the book.

many will see both as evidence of a male misogynistic and controlling religious-based practice.

Ah, so we see that antisemitism and Islamophobia is a problem in the UK. It checks when we look at the statistics on religiously motivated hate crimes that disproportionately affect women.

Funny thing is that it is these so called enlightened, liberal men that are making women too afraid to wear a headscarf. What if they all decided women should stop covering their stomachs and we all should walk around in crop tops and that a long top was evidence of misogyny and male control?

I think it’s men that want women more naked, more exposed that are the misogynistic voyeurs.

? There are female Imams. Islam, like Christianity with female priests and Judaism with female rabbis has gradually opened their priesthood to women.

Hijabs do not dehumanise 🤨 any more than a headscarf tied the Jewish way.

Or even these catholic women in Italy.

You're going into what ifs now. Like i said wasn't forced when I was a little girl and wasn't forced when I got married and won't be forced. To me islam teaches not to hurt anyone and not to enforce your beliefs on anyone. As for being mandatory in other countries. I dont know where you've got that from. Pakistan is a Muslim country and there even women don't wear it. So like i said you're presuming the worse of muslim men just because of a woman who's decided she wants to wear the hijab. It doesn't make sense to me.

May i ask what you think of nuns who wear the headscarf? You haven't mentioned them have you? Why is it that it's the muslim women covering their head that you feel uncomfortable with? So if a nun wears the headscarf its a freedom of choice and no man's forced her but god forbid a woman who follows her faith,shes being suppressed by a Muslim man! I've seen all your posts regarding this and I have come to the conclusion you don't like Muslims. Be it men or women as you feel uncomfortable seeing a woman in a hijaab and bad Muslim men who are forcing women. Stay with your partner or divorce him but please don't use us as a excuse. Wish you all the best.

Er, yes. I was talking about Christianity, because a previous poster used it as a gotcha. I wasn't talking about the Torah or the Quran. So I don't know what point you're making.

Catholic women stopped covering their heads in church 50 to 60 years ago.

Nuns have been mentioned early on. The headscarf disappeared after Vatican 2, for most nuns.

Not all catholic women have. Many orthodox women still do.

The point is that in all there is a tradition of head covering and for all when in a modern, western country women chose to wear a headscarf or not. The headscarf is a different style depending on specific religion.

In the case of Judaism and Christianity, no had to be passed by men forcing women to stop wearing headscarves in religious contexts. But many are arguing we have to do that for Islam. This is what I think is prejudice and Islamophobia.

All we should be doing is ensuring women are making the choice and you don’t do that by legally removing choice.

Many nuns still wear headscarves. It hasn’t “disappeared”.

This photo of the Dominican sisters is from yesterday on their Facebook page.

This article is from the 27th of December and I’ve included her photo as well
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/268601/from-despair-to-serenity-the-italian-nun-saving-women-from-human-trafficking

and many many photos of the nuns that gathered for the Papal Conclave earlier in 2025
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/conclave-nuns-sistine-chapel-vatican-city-women-new-pope-rcna205585

Have you read your own Holy Book in your own language? The Quran includes many clear demands for violence against non-believers.

Quran 9:5 instructs to 'slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush'; and 2:191 includes 'And kill them wherever you find them'.

There are many more such passages. Islam is not tolerant, it requires submission and obedience, or the punishment is death.

Be honest.

• If you stopped wearing the hijab, would your family and community support this change?

• Are you really free to leave Islam and convert to another religion? Or would there be severe consequences for you and your family?

• Would you be able to stay friends with someone who has left Islam?

• How would you react if your adult son told you he wanted to convert to Judaism? Would you support him? If not, why not?

• If your adult daughter wanted to marry a non-Muslim man, and not require him to convert to Islam first, would you be allowed to support her choices and attend their wedding?

• If your brother came out as gay, would you and your family have to reject him?

By answering the above questions, this will help show how tolerant Islam is, or isn't, of non-believers and women's and gay rights.

I DO NOT WEAR THE HIJAB! is that clear for you? And as for you asking me if I've read quran. I don't need you to google stuff and just copy and paste on here. How condescending are you? Ive just given my opinion on what I believe and what I've been brought up with. No one has forced anything on me. As for being gay be it my brother or sister. Muslims,Christians and other faiths do not allow gays. So why target Islam. And as for someone to ALLOW ME to my daughters or sons wedding. IF I WANTED TO I would but me being brought up and like you said I have read my own book and if it states its not allowed. I wouldn't. I am not opressed or forced by any man. The question the Op has asked is about her partners views. Simple leave him or try and work it out BUT PLEASE enough of the Muslim bashing. Its getting tiring now. Move on.

Were they forced by the men to not to wear one or did they just decide not to wear it. As the Op likes to point out of a Muslim woman god forbid wants to wear a headscarf its the man forcing her but if someone else does it. Noone bats an eyelid.

Were they forced by the men to not to wear one or did they just decide not to wear it. As the Op likes to point out of a Muslim woman god forbid wants to wear a headscarf its the man forcing her but if someone else does it. Noone bats an eyelid.

It’s a hot topic and very relevant in world and U.K. affairs today. Women get murdered for not wearing them or full body coverings in some parts of the world so it’s disingenuous to not understand why some people feel they are a sign of oppression or compare them to nuns- yes it’s a choice but some women don’t get that choice. I couldn’t believe it when they made a statue celebrating National Hijab Day when women are literally being beaten to death over it.

There is nothing ' wrong' with being gay. Even if you follow a religion that teaches you this, why not think for yourself!? Homophobia is illegal.Where is the kindness and tolerance you speak of as it's not in much evidence here.

The Christian Bible forbids it though (being gay). Says gay men should be stoned to death.

Leviticus 20:13 " and a man who lies with a male as one lies with a woman--both of them have done an abomination; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them.". (LSV)

I think that is the point @YourDearDreamer was making. The Quaran might be bad towards gay folk, but so is the Bible. And that's not really a whataboutism, because Muslims can be moderate, just as Christians can be. Just being a Muslim does not mean full membership of ISIS, same as how being Christian does not mean full membership of Westboro Baptists.

And moderate Christians can't really ignore the anti gay aspect of their religion by saying " we are not like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia", because plenty of Christian African nations have been enacting anti gay laws, including the death sentence.

Ugandan court upholds anti-gay law that allows the death penalty in some cases | AP News

And this is being led in part by US evangelicals, or so it appears.

Exporting extremism: Backed by U.S. Christian Nationalist groups, African nations are enacting a wave of oppressive anti-LGBTQ+ laws - Americans United (au.org)

Thing is, moderate Christians can't just handwave the biblical anti gay laws away with a " context" or " out of date" shrug. Because there are nations using the very same book to enact new laws to persecute, and execute, gays.

I could say " why are all Christians not winding these Christian extremists in ?

I am atheist myself. A Christian apostate. And guess what. Jesus himself says I should get the death penalty. Not for the apostasy, but for having persuaded people away from Christ. That's in Mat 18:6 , Mark 9:42, Luke 17:1.

Sample here, Mat 18:6 " and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in Me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged on his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea." (LSV)

So, saying "that religion is bad", while ignoring that the one is also bad, reminds me of that thing Jesus said. Mat 7:5 "Hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to cast out the speck out of your brother's eye." (LSV)

Hey, I am not accusing anyone of anything here. Just quoting the bible.

Exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I just think whatever religion follow or not follow, just be kind and let others live like they would want to, as long as they're not hurting each other.

Thats your views and I totally respect them. But me being a Muslim I think its wrong. I just think we can all think for ourselves and im not imposing my beliefs or opinions on others. Same way noone can change mine. At the end of the day gays are humans too. If they are respectful and kind like any other sexual orientated person thats enough for me. Its not for me to judge but like I said each to their own. This thread was about OP wanting to leave her partner about his views. Then it was about her daughter who she didnt feel comfortable as the women wear a hijab. It must the men forcing the women. Its up to her if she wants to leave or work on her relationship but please I simply ask not to use us muslims. What have we got to with her relationship? I think I've said thats all to say on the matter. Have a lovely day.