Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

[PinkTreeFrog]

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

You dont have to be Muslim to have views like this. My OH is full on pro palestinian, so left wing that he's all the way round to right wing. But cant really see it.

I don’t think I could stay with a partner who believed in gender ideology. That type of regressive belief system seeps into so much else attitude-wise.

That's an interesting way to phrase it: he's gone full circle.

Depends, I would have thought.

Do the Overton windows overlap at all ?

How do I communicate that the boys are not potential friends or future suitors? That they view her uncovered hair as haram?

Again, you’re making a sweeping generalisation about Muslim men and boys. Treating them as if they’re incapable of respectful, normal interaction with women is both inaccurate and harmful.

It’s that kind of thinking that reinforces division and mistrust.

That's an interesting way to phrase it: he's gone full circle.

That’s a strangely specific , yet diverse and yet short set of reasons to fall out with someone

When I see the covered women in our neighborhood I am deeply concerned and do make generalizations about boys/men raised in a religion that promotes and often enforces this. If their family members must wear hijab, how do they feel about my daughter wearing her normal western attire?

I’m from a 50/50 family in a Northern city where there is a large Islamic community. I find it really sad that is how you view us. Our community is generally 3rd/4th generation immigrants. Most men here don’t care about head coverings and certainly wouldn’t consider women who don’t wear a covering haram. Do you ever spend time with Muslims or are you just making assumptions?
what is a sanctuary city?

So if you see Ilhan Omar on tv, do you assume her DH makes her dress as she does ?

I am deeply unsettled by the headscarf no matter the context.

So it is starting to appear you are a repub, and DH is a Dem ?

Given that sanctuary cities are a US thing.

So you are unsettled, your DH is not, and therefore you LTB?
I suppose if you feel that strongly, you should. But your posts read as if he is forcing your DD to cover her hair when he's simply not overcome with horror at the sight of a hijab.

So rather than challenging your husband, perhaps you need to challenge your own mindset.

You do realise many Jewish women also cover their hair. Is your discomfort extended to Jewish men or just Muslims?

I live in a neighborhood with burkas, as well as hijabs. My daughter has many first/second generation Pakistani immigrants. This concerns me. In the past it did not - in fact I had a Sufi interest for many years. I have spent a good deal of time with Muslims and was friendly with many. It's not the individuals - it's the belief system. If there are burkas, there are anti-female views.

Not being able to see the misogyny inherent in trans activism and conservative Islam would be an issue for me and no, I don’t think I could live with someone who didn’t see it or didn’t care, and definitely not raise a daughter with them.

So you were ok with being friends with Muslims before but not now and you don’t want your daughter friends with Muslims? And you have an issue with your husband having a different viewpoint?

Being friends with someone from a different faith doesn’t mean you are indoctrinated into that faith…

Have you spoken to any Muslim women about it? Or friends with any hijabi women? My DD goes to a school where the majority of pupils are Muslim. We’ve had a number of discussions about the differences and similarities to her upbringing to some of her classmates, but also the differences between her friends experiences ie some live in very strict households, some very relaxed and so she’s aware that being Muslim isn’t a monolithic experience, or that religion isn’t always the defining feature of people’s lives.

She also knows about the Muslim women I work with and are friends with, some of who wear hijabs, some who don’t, but none of whom are forced. All of them are the most badass feminist activists I know

What is a sanctuary city?

Believing in covering women with burkas is incompatible with western values. My daughter would not be respected in that community.

100% agree - I’m from a liberal Muslim family (though I’m an atheist). Not all Muslims are misogynists or regard western women as easy, but there is a massive overlap between those who adopt conservative dress and those who do. See also - homophobia.

And most Muslim women don’t wear burkas.

You haven’t answered my question about your attitude to Jewish men, considering many Jewish girls and women cover to their elbows and ankles and have to cover their hair after getting married.

OP, if this were reversed, and your spouse was posting here, would they be forthright is stating their political views ?

If they were a Bernie bro for example, would they just come out and say that ? And then everyone familiar with US politics would understand.

Given that sanctuary cites are a US thing, you must be a US poster ?

@RedTagAlan why do you keep asking the OP if she's in the US? You've asked three times now.

While there can be ureconcilable differences in views, that is going to be a serious problem if you insist on assuming that disagreeing with yours means your spouse is in bad faith.

It's entirely possible, for example, for people to have a different view than yours about the hijab without hating woman. That follows for quite a few different political controversies,

Racist and anti immigrant views have ruined a few friendships. Blatant racism I just don't understand - I mean would you want to be friends with someone who seems like they'd join the KKK or a similar organisation? The anti immigrant thing I get up to a point in the "they are taking our jobs" kinda way but I must admit I have laughed out loud at this because I'm not British and for some one to say this to me seems ridiculous. This usually prompts the "oh I don't mean you! You're ok!!" (aka I'm white and English is my first language)

Most recently there was a tough moment when 3 of us were having lunch out and some how the topic got on to abortion and 2 of us (female) agreed that termination was completely the woman's choice while our friend (male) said that he felt the man should have a choice in the matter. Us 2 gave him very steely looks and said that until men can get pregnant or guarantee they will participate fully - financially and timewise - in the raising of a child they don't get a look in. He's bright enough to shut up.

Sorry - not quite on topic, I know.