Brigitte Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance

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I'm not sure if there's anything new here though

Phillipson blocks trans guidance after landmark Supreme Court ruling https://share.google/P91PBE5Cy4ROwsdA1

It's a very stark article in the Telegraph.

I'm thinking it won't even be Easter. Is she waiting for after the May elections?Labour are doing badly enough in the polls now (polling at 6th most poplar party according to Andrew Neil) with 13 u-turns in 18 months. Even if Phillipson left the post, Labour would brief her successor to stall as well.

Implementing the SC decision right away would be saying men are men and women are women which is against Lib Dem's and Green's favourite Rule of Misogyny: Men are whoever they say they are and women are whoever men say they are. If Labour delay it becomes less of an issue at the elections that the Greens etc can fight against? Just trying to work it out, obviously. No real idea how she could be so batshit.

Hopefully Kemi Badenoch will hold her feet to the fire leading up to them.

I think labour are waiting for a miracle to happen. TRA go away, single sex spaces no longer needed, or proof of sex change falls from the sky.

The best time for clarification for labour would have been the last parliament, the second early in their parliament. So years away from a general election and as far as possible from local ones. If they had established that people cannot changed sex, and SSE are legal, it would be up to the greens and LD to tear up the EqA. Something their bases wouldn't approve of.

The actions of Labour rather than the waffly bullshit words of Labour would strongly suggest they are in absolute favour of removing women and gay rights in law. They just lack the guts to be honest with the electorate about it, because they don't like the consequences.

And as the farmers and the parents of SEND children and many other groups are noticing, some advisor high on something has told them all the activist tactic of just looking the evidence in the face, and denying it's there. Refuse to acknowledge it. Ignore all the rules and morals and prove there's no accountability of any kind in reality once the honour system is gone. Baffled and angry voters met with insanity, don't know what to do with it. Yet.

Yep, millions of years of sex evolution leading to the day Labour got elected in 2024, and now hoping in the mere 1.5 years since that biological reality will randomly flip 180.

This.
There's a reason Phillipson has refused to issue the final version of the guidelines for gender non conforming children that the last government trialled and that schools are desperate for.
Because she can't decide when or how to tell parents that under this government, children will be openly schooled into having no boundaries from the opposite sex, that boys will be given permission to undress, shower and sleep alongside girls in schools and that the government will be funding some of the porn soaked lobby groups who've done so much damage to children, to have a greater role in gaslighting them about sex change in the future.

Reality is SUCH a problem for politicians. I think it's because they lie more than they breathe.

Quite. She'd rather do nothing (openly, fucking about with court cases against women and gay rights quietly in the background while lying repeatedly on camera about it), which achieves by default what she wants - her MRA paradise cracks on - while she doesn't actually have to take responsibility or be honest about it. Or justify it. Essentially she wants to do it while still looking good. It's not working.

I think people don’t like to think of the dangers. It won’t happen to them. It can’t happen.

When I have talked about toilet safety, people who are ‘high up’ have told me stuff I talk about never happens, if is does it’s really rare and if it does it’s somehow the person it happens to’s fault.

It does, it depends what you class as ‘rare’, and it’s not the fault of the victim.

You are right.

Also, the issue is not in my opinion just about safety, and privacy.

It is also about public bodies manipulating social rules regarding a mundane occurrence - the use of a lavatory or a changing room- all the better to inure people to the false idea that :

1. A man is the ‘sex’ he says he is because there is no sex, only gender.
2. Sex does not really exist in any appreciable sense. But a person’s sense of their ‘gender’ is so very important that, if it does not agree with their biological sex, this validates the use puberty blockers and genital mutilating surgery to imitate the sex ( which ironically they say does not exist).
3. Women don’t have the right to be free of a man who wants to use them to help him to, either spin an illusion about himself, or in some cases to get a sexual thrill just by being in a space with them.

So, the business over refusing to allow single sex spaces is all about trans activism and grooming the public through queer theory in action.

It's not just the MRA gender agenda. Just seen DfE employees announced to a group 'consulting' on the coming SEND reforms that SEND (a term invented by New Labour and enforced upon everyone else) is a meaningless term in that derisive politician way.

Rubbish the language, deride the concept, blow up public support for the group in question, try to 'normalise' the fucking appalling, and pave the way to the money/personal agenda. Which is all any of this is ever about.

Given feelings on this thread about B P , I am not sure why there seems to be too little traction for this one about the petition to get on with implementing the guidance.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5474328-parliamentary-petition-approve-and-implement-the-ehrc-guidance-on-meaning-of-sex-in-the-equality-act?latest=1

I'd suspect too many people have now experienced that the petitions are a gesture looking a bit democratic and cool but have zero power when it comes to inconvenient things the government doesn't want discussed. Particularly on this issue.

Because those of us on FWR are not just on this thread but this forum talking about all aspects of this.

Diffusing the discusion isn't really helpful.

Knowing it exists if helpful.

Although of more interest would be to know that now many other MNers from other sections of the site have become interested.

Maybe of more use to go onto other forums and let those users know about the petition.

Journalist Gethin Chamberlain posted an interesting thread regarding Phillipson's reluctance to submit the EHRC guidance to Parliament:

https://x.com/newsandpics/status/2012915421104451600
"When Unison backed Bridget Phillipson for the Labour deputy leadership, it told members she would be the union's voice inside the Labour Party. As she stalls on publishing new guidance on single sex spaces, it looks very much like that's the case.🧵"

For those not on TwiX:
https://nitter.net/newsandpics/status/2012915435901948254#m

Thank you! I think that’s the missing piece of the puzzle…. How on earth are we to untangle the gordian knot that is unions and the Labour Party regarding gender identity…. Never thought about this before … is it Labour pushing down? or unions pushing it up? Or are they just locked together in a self serving doom loop that means they’ll never be able to acknowledge biological reality?

Exactly!

I couldn't believe Phillipson thought that anyone was falling for the, "we're examining the EHRC document with a scanning electron microscope and putting it through the Large Hadron Collider to be doubleplus sure that it's all tickety-boo", spiel.

This explanation of her implementing the will of Unison (who are hostile to sex-based rights) makes much more (and very venal) sense.

Towards the end of this one, it says that UNISON will push to change equalities laws. https://nitter.net/newsandpics/status/2012915426733298001#m

For a TU with such a skew towards female members, this planned behaviour is frankly bonkers. It's a sad sign of how undemocratic, and closed shop, TUs have become that the ordinary members largely remain uninformed about these proposed actions.

What was it that Starmer said on the steps of No.10 on winning the GE?
That it was country first and party second?
Too bad he's yet another politician who can't help lying.

"Would it not be simpler for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?"
certainly seems to be UNISON's dictum. I think Brecht would have had a lot of fun with the current situation.

Women need to stop joining / leave Unison. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Abso-fragging-lutely!

Especially if women are relying on their Unison rep to be there to help them in the modern workplace where vibes rather than legislation seems to be how management run organisations.

Unison have shown very clearly that they will not provide any help or advice if women end up in a situation like Sandie Peggie, the Darlington Nurses, or Jennifer Melle.

In those cases, you being a paid up member of your TU seems to entitle you to sweet feck all.

this is becoming a massive issue. I’m furious this is not here yet.

I had though wondered if the EHRC stuff had to be done before that was finalised

Interesting comments in the media by kebede this weekend.

I’ll have to hunt for a link