Latest Girlguiding email this evening

[clementina25]

I have just received a new email from Girlguiding. They are planning on setting up a task force - 'Today, we're launching a taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women. You can help us by sharing your ideas and/or expressing an interest in contributing to our taskforce. '
I'm thinking that it's really important that sex realists are included on this task force as I think that there will be pressure from the Trans handmaidens to change Girlguiding to a mixed sex organisation. Is there anyone else who has received this email and would be keen to collaborate?

That’s a good point to make to GG, and to WI as well. Stop fussing about men feeling left out of organisations set up by and for female people. Look around at all the women and girls in disadvantaged or overlooked groups — with certain disabilities, special needs, housebound, learning difficulties, lacking transport, not fluent in English etc — who could benefit from joining you.

Have you noticed the women who have been hounded, attacked, smeared, sacked, threatened and vilified for voicing their gc beliefs?

Ok, but I don't think they need to convene a taskforce to signpost people to Scouts. That's not difficult or new and it's hardly a niche or unknown organisation.

See up thread for various more niche groups that may exist in different areas if scouts doesn't have vacancies or doesn't suit.

I mean I'm probably wrong, they may well be trying to do something their charity status/charter doesn't actually allow. I just want to underline that kindly redirection is the right thing to do for existing members not saying you're not our problem sod off. I'm very keen that as the GC cause does gain ground, as we must, we should continue to prove TRAs wrong in all the dire predictions of how horrible we secretly want to be to trans identifying people by being firm but kind.

Yes. "Kindly redirection" is something they were already in a position to do when they made the announcement. Forgive me but I really don't follow your point so I am assuming by your comments that you are not familiar with the Guide movement?

Everyone involved in Girlguiding is aware of the other groups to sign post to and will likely have had experience of doing so. Scouting is part of the same movement, and the Brigades, Woodcraft Folk etc, are all adjacent organisations. None of them are niche either frankly.

Nobody is saying that the children involved shouldn't be treated with empathy and respect, in the same way as any other child who is asked to leave the organisation would be so treated. There are already established procedures for this. All of the information is already available and those decisions will be made by the organisation's leadership.

All of which underlines that there is no need or justification for convening a task force about how to provide future membership or support to male children and adults - which is the stated purpose of the task force. It has nothing whatsoever to do with providing a soft exit for the current male children erroneously allowed to join an organisation for female children.

Nobody is saying that the children involved shouldn't be treated with empathy and respect

Some people did seem to be saying they're male, they're not our problem, parents know where scouts are. Maybe I misunderstood what they were saying.

There are empathetic and respectful ways to tell boys that they're male, that they're not a GG problem, and that they know where the Scouts are.

They can and should do so. Yes and yes.

As above with 'transage', once you're on the ladder of bizarre beliefs - and insisting angrily that something obviously untrue IS true and berating other people for not believing in it too - where does it end?

If you told them that your dog, or your pet snake, or your washing machine identified as a human girl and thus IS a human girl, and so wants to be a fully engaged member of GG, and treated just like everybody else, how could they possibly tell you that you're wrong and refuse to include them?

Surely their official membership records would have to read 'Emily, Olivia, Charlotte, Rover, Slippy, Hotpoint, Maisie...' - and all of their activities would have to be planned with them all in mind, including parades where they have to make arrangements for Hotpoint to be dragged assisted all along the route, as 'she' cannot walk by herself.

Unless they're nasty, unkind, uninclusive, discriminatory bigots, of course.........

Socialist Groomer is on the case:
Sheffield protesters resist attacks on trans+ rights

Just in case anyone is interested in the views of the last group in the UK that should be talking about safeguarding...

I won't be joining any panels as I strongly feel they will just be echo chambers for the hand maidens.

I will fill in the survey though.
I will email too.

Why can't all the volunteers that are up in arms about this go their own way and set up their own group activity, similar to girl guides but open to all sexes if that's what they want so badly. Oh wait there's already one of those. 🙄

The point about the charity's purpose and remit of GIRLS is a very good point to highlight too.

Has anyone else noticed that they've not seen one single parent of a biological girl saying they're sad about this? Not one parent of girls that I know will be battling the girls only stance.

I've seen a couple, but they're described as bigots/transphobes/people who should know better etc etc.

Tis shameful to care about girls.

It's not what Naice women do.

Wondering if anyone got the email about joining the task force? I’ve filled it in and been up front about the reasons I want to be on it. Says will hear by 20th I think it was.

I haven't had that email, but I've just listened to the latest webinar. I was raging! They are now calling the task force the 'trans inclusion task force ' The whole webinar was all about being kind and inclusive. There were lots of questions in the q and A about how will we know if someone applying is trans. Oh it's so not difficult. You just ask for their birth certificate! Bingo!

Sigh. Or course they are. If they think that they won't be reported to the Charity Commission then they are mistaken.

This makes me so cross. We are already trans inclusive. Trans identified girls are very welcome - we are here to show them that there is no right way to be a girl.

I can't believe they are still going on about being kind. I popped into the HQ shop a couple of weekends back. There was a group of very intimidating young male protesters all wearing face masks half blocking the entrance. It was actually scary for me as a small woman to walk past them.

Men and boys were protesting outside GG HQ? They absolutely need to fuck off.

😲😲😲

Of all the cowardly handmaidens (and they are a few to say the least!) I think, being Girlguiding, this takes the absolute fucking biscuit.

And the fact there are still masked up men hanging around the HQ should give them some sort of clue about the kind of people they're really defending.

Scouting is already gender-neutral/inclusive (I was a scout after quitting Guides because it was so bitchy). Why wouldn't trans girls just go to scouts?

Because it wouldn't be involve being the only boy in a girl-only situation. Like sex with lesbians; it creates the ultimate validatory experience.

The sheer selfishness however is gobsmacking - this is entirely on the adults not the children - but they want the experience of an all girl situation, know the special environment for themselves, and take it by depriving every female child in the situation of having it .

Females, know your place. NPC props in male lives. I am seriously concerned for women who actually believe in raising their daughters in this binary, sex based subordination and think it makes them 'better' people.

Be kind?

Be subordinated, you mean.

They may have identified as female. They may have been the trans rent a mob but they were definitely young men, probably late teens early twenties based on their height and build although as I say they were all wearing masks.

Demonstrating in fact being a group of people who for many, obvious and visible reasons, should be absolutely nowhere near children or making decisions about their safeguarding.

Bonkers.

Another day another survey (you have to battle right to the end to get to the questions about if gguk should continue to support a broader than biological definition of woman) transactional.girlguidingnews.org.uk/c/AQjm9g0QmJ5zGK2-xYQBIPDL3yEo_5fzE50nr5iKlNGxTRi7S5aoCoHJdLyE66qCo7qM-7iGN9OT