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Latest Girlguiding email this evening

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clementina25 · 11/12/2025 19:51

I have just received a new email from Girlguiding. They are planning on setting up a task force - 'Today, we're launching a taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women. You can help us by sharing your ideas and/or expressing an interest in contributing to our taskforce. '
I'm thinking that it's really important that sex realists are included on this task force as I think that there will be pressure from the Trans handmaidens to change Girlguiding to a mixed sex organisation. Is there anyone else who has received this email and would be keen to collaborate?

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clementina25 · 15/12/2025 19:20

I'm on the call now too.

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Sandyoldshoes · 15/12/2025 20:01

I hope someone is recording it!

’look after your wellbeing’ how fragile are these people?!

OhBuggerandArse · 15/12/2025 20:06

presumably they can't stop you videoing the screen with your phone, even if you can't record from within the meeting.

Beamur · 15/12/2025 20:11

What are they saying?

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 20:15

clementina25 · 15/12/2025 19:20

I'm on the call now too.

Please record it! Even audio would be good.

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clementina25 · 15/12/2025 20:26

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 20:15

Please record it! Even audio would be good.

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We were explicitly forbidden to record it but I have saved a transcript. Don't know if it is allowed to share it. However one takeaway is that they clearly said that the policy change is NOT temporary. Hooray! They also were very clear that although the task force may discuss the option to change the Royal Charter that such a change would be very complex and difficult. To be fair to the team on the call I think they navigated things very well. My only concern is their talk about helping trans girls and young trans women going forward, as that is clearly outwith the remit of Girlguiding. It is vital that as many Sex realists as possible get on the task force. I have specifically emailed requesting a place.

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HagCymraeg · 15/12/2025 20:28

There was nothing said they haven't said in previous statements really. Very scripted and being kind. No mention of members who support the decision except for one question about how these terfy leaders were going to be punished.
Lots of talk about the Taskforce they are going to set up to explore ways to keep transwomen and transgirls included.
Lots of handwringing and telling us to step away if we are getting upset.
It was very like the calls when they sold all their centres and threw out all their overseas members, carefully worded and self congratulating about how wonderful and inclusive they are. Chat disabled so just a lecture really. Questions could be submitted but the ones chosen to answer were all against the decision. Very biased.
Honestly I am ashamed to be a leader really.

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clementina25 · 15/12/2025 21:32

HagCymraeg · 15/12/2025 20:28

There was nothing said they haven't said in previous statements really. Very scripted and being kind. No mention of members who support the decision except for one question about how these terfy leaders were going to be punished.
Lots of talk about the Taskforce they are going to set up to explore ways to keep transwomen and transgirls included.
Lots of handwringing and telling us to step away if we are getting upset.
It was very like the calls when they sold all their centres and threw out all their overseas members, carefully worded and self congratulating about how wonderful and inclusive they are. Chat disabled so just a lecture really. Questions could be submitted but the ones chosen to answer were all against the decision. Very biased.
Honestly I am ashamed to be a leader really.

It's really important that those of us who want the new policy to be properly implemented get involved in this task force. If we leave it to the TRAs then there is a huge risk that GG will be lost.

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plantcomplex · 15/12/2025 21:43

clementina25 · 15/12/2025 21:32

It's really important that those of us who want the new policy to be properly implemented get involved in this task force. If we leave it to the TRAs then there is a huge risk that GG will be lost.

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That is a fair point. I am open to being proved wrong but I have an inkling that when selecting people for the taskforce that they will try to screen out anyone who supports the policy change and doesn't want to find a way to become mixed sex.

Whether to try and avoid conflict in the taskforce group or for other less palatable reasons.

whataguddle · 15/12/2025 21:44

ChateauMargaux · 15/12/2025 18:12

I would love to hear how the meeting goes..

I am so disappointed to see my news and facebook feeds covered in people supporting the dismantling of female spaces.

Where are the voices protesting to protect female spaces.. I don't believe that we are wrong.

On LinkedIn too…. so many up in arms about the GG decision and saying how awful it is that the GG will be girls only.

Many saying they will resign as GG leaders if this happens.

I feel I am in a parallel universe.

They need to do a poll as so many must be afraid to say they agree with the decision.

What a mad world 😕

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clementina25 · 15/12/2025 21:49

plantcomplex · 15/12/2025 21:43

That is a fair point. I am open to being proved wrong but I have an inkling that when selecting people for the taskforce that they will try to screen out anyone who supports the policy change and doesn't want to find a way to become mixed sex.

Whether to try and avoid conflict in the taskforce group or for other less palatable reasons.

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You may be right. However I think that the leadership showed a united front tonight and that was behind their change in policy. I am hoping that they will welcome members on the task force who are wanting to help support the policy. But that remains to be seen. If it is made up of those against the policy they are going to have a tough time.

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Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 15/12/2025 21:55

Maybe it's just being overly optimistic, but I wonder if they now realise that the game is up and this is their way of being the 'goodies' banging pots and pans in their swansong protest at what the 'baddies' are forcing them do.

"WE were determined to support and fight for ALL girls (including the ones who are boys); but THEY bullied us and forced bigotry and hatred on us... so now we just have to make the best of the wreckage that they've left for us (all of the actual girls whom we didn't care to prioritise before)."

plantcomplex · 15/12/2025 22:04

clementina25 · 15/12/2025 21:49

You may be right. However I think that the leadership showed a united front tonight and that was behind their change in policy. I am hoping that they will welcome members on the task force who are wanting to help support the policy. But that remains to be seen. If it is made up of those against the policy they are going to have a tough time.

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I hope you are right. It is difficult to tell the extent to which things are being said to try and manage the reactions rather than for sincere reasons. They have lost a lot of trust over the last few years.

I do think managing the taskforce will be challenging either way. Not sure what the balance of staffing is like since the redundancies but they certainly used to be weighted towards younger, less experienced and more idealistic staff (being charity sector). Even more experienced staff probably won't have experience in managing something where people become this volatile over it.

I don't envy them having to manage this situation (even if it is entirely self inflicted as an organisation).

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clementina25 · 15/12/2025 22:11

plantcomplex · 15/12/2025 22:04

I hope you are right. It is difficult to tell the extent to which things are being said to try and manage the reactions rather than for sincere reasons. They have lost a lot of trust over the last few years.

I do think managing the taskforce will be challenging either way. Not sure what the balance of staffing is like since the redundancies but they certainly used to be weighted towards younger, less experienced and more idealistic staff (being charity sector). Even more experienced staff probably won't have experience in managing something where people become this volatile over it.

I don't envy them having to manage this situation (even if it is entirely self inflicted as an organisation).

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Quite. However they did mention the Trustees in the webinar. So it sounds like they have had good legal advice. So I'm hopeful that this will be their main guide.

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drspouse · 15/12/2025 22:14

I'm not confident they'd include anyone gender critical on the task force.

ChateauMargaux · 15/12/2025 22:23

It is bizarre that they are so vocal that they disagree with their own policy. If they do, they should resign and leave the organisation to be led by people who believe in the principles on which the organisation was founded - or get a mandate from members to change. They seem to be wilfully ignoring the fact that members could well be afraid to speak out in favour of the policy due to the history of sex realists being expelled.

Head in hands - this is not the way I hoped this would go.

senua · 15/12/2025 23:11

drspouse · 15/12/2025 22:14

I'm not confident they'd include anyone gender critical on the task force.

Didn't the change in policy - i.e. adherence with the Supreme Court ruling - come about because of action by The Women of Wessex? Where are they now, are they doing any follow up.

Jollyjoy · 15/12/2025 23:41

drspouse · 15/12/2025 22:14

I'm not confident they'd include anyone gender critical on the task force.

I’d be amazed (and delighted) if they do. Perhaps I should’ve offered my services without such frank feedback.

ProfessorBinturong · 16/12/2025 02:03

No mention of members who support the decision except for one question about how these terfy leaders were going to be punished.

Do you remember how this was answered?

HagCymraeg · 16/12/2025 06:53

If I recall correctly the question was worded something like "is GG going to do something about the leaders who are cruelly celebrating the decision?". The answer was a bland reminder of the code of conduct.

ChateauMargaux · 16/12/2025 08:39

HagCymraeg · 16/12/2025 06:53

If I recall correctly the question was worded something like "is GG going to do something about the leaders who are cruelly celebrating the decision?". The answer was a bland reminder of the code of conduct.

Oh my goodness....

LostMySocks · 16/12/2025 08:43

HagCymraeg · 16/12/2025 06:53

If I recall correctly the question was worded something like "is GG going to do something about the leaders who are cruelly celebrating the decision?". The answer was a bland reminder of the code of conduct.

And just like that those of us who support the decision continue to be scared of making our voices and opinions heard.
Does anyone have any lowdown on why certain members of the GG leadership are so pro gender ideology and while doing so are so dismissive of young trans identified girls and young women.

drspouse · 16/12/2025 10:40

senua · 15/12/2025 23:11

Didn't the change in policy - i.e. adherence with the Supreme Court ruling - come about because of action by The Women of Wessex? Where are they now, are they doing any follow up.

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That's a very good point.

bartape · 16/12/2025 12:47

Sorry no, just no. Girl Guides is for actual females and males have no place in it, I don't understand why time is wasted catering to and trying to appease delusional males.

thirdfiddle · 16/12/2025 13:37

Charities do support each other. Or they should. If helping someone isn't in your remit, you don't just tell them to sod off, if you can you signpost them to somewhere that can help them. All the more so if you /have/ previously and mistakenly told them you could include them.

For example, Beira's place will signpost any male callers to appropriate mixed sex services.
Edinburgh Rape Crisis /ought/ to signpost people to BP, but wasn't because they were being inappropriately political as well as inappropriately failing to communicate clearly about which spaces were single sex.