Latest Girlguiding email this evening

[clementina25]

I have just received a new email from Girlguiding. They are planning on setting up a task force - 'Today, we're launching a taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women. You can help us by sharing your ideas and/or expressing an interest in contributing to our taskforce. '
I'm thinking that it's really important that sex realists are included on this task force as I think that there will be pressure from the Trans handmaidens to change Girlguiding to a mixed sex organisation. Is there anyone else who has received this email and would be keen to collaborate?

St John's ambulance groups

Oh you already said that one. The woodcraft folx then. Local youth groups. There's loads. Really depends on local area doesn't it, that's why I thought that's something simple and practical girl guides could help with. Put together a list of mixed sex alternatives by location to refer boys or girls who prefer mixed sex groups.

Parents were able to find Guiding, they don't need help finding mixed sex provision.

Indeed, yes. Jane Fae was insistent about that idea too on the infamous Victoria Derbyshire show, with Emile Ratelband.

Isn't it interesting how they naturally assume the authority to decide which ridiculous idea is fact, and which one is actually just ridiculous - and all we're allowed to do is 'be kind' and agree with whatever they decree as 'truth'?

Why should we be kind to people who think they're the opposite sex (albeit deliberately obfuscated as 'gender') whilst they freely mock and poor scorn on people who think they're a different age from the one they are? If anything, transage is less ridiculous, because at least the adult claiming to be a child was once that age (or likely will become that age, in the event that any claim to be older than they currently are); whereas no male has ever been or ever will be remotely female, or vice versa.

Either way, it takes a monumentally arrogant person to be standing on one rung of a ladder of ludicrousness whilst sneering at how stupid somebody else on a different rung is for believing that the ladder itself actually exists.

Maybe they can offer a badge for gaslighting - and then, when the girls have diligently done everything that they were told they needed to do to earn it, the leaders can swear blind that they never told them there was such a badge in the first place and how crazy of them for actually believing that there might be.

Beavers is mixed sex. Woodcraft folk is mixed sex. I think it would make more sense to have all of them actually mixed and risk assessed as such. Especially at the younger ages

Every single thing I've seen online disagrees that boys should be in the girl guides.

All of it. All the below the line comments.

So who exactly is pushing this? The advice to tell Rainbows and Rangers is unbelievable. Extreme trans ideology. And terrible, leading statements - we know you'll be sad, we know you'll be confused and if you need to talk we'll be here.

Disgraceful, manipulative claptrap

I thought the government had said you were not allowed to promote unevidenced ideology in schools?

Would that not also refer to places like the girl guides?

The idea of 'transage' is actually much more logical than transgender. People have been trying to change their age for centuries - usually trying to look younger, but also claiming to be older to join the armed forces or buy alcohol. Anti-aging is big business, and so fake ID.

Medically it's well recognised that your biological age may not match your chronological age - sadly usually with people who've 'had a hard paper round' looking much older than they are, which correlates with worse physiological measurements & health status. I don't include weirdos identifying as children in this - they are most likely perverts - but clearly not identifying exactly with your chronological age is very common.

My taste is music is stuck at 25, but sadly my knees identify as 55. Rest of me is inbetween depending on lighting and makeup.

Yes, it's the absolute arrogance in presuming to speak for all 'right-minded' people, even though they know very well that the vast majority of people don't agree with them at all.

They aren't even trying to push for understanding and tolerance of a small group of people who prefer to live in their own 'reality' anymore; it's just "We tiny minority are correct and the vast majority of people who use simple common sense are obviously wrong".

My Rangers group are all disappointed that Trans Girls will no longer be welcome. I think it's important to hear the voice of those young people in guiding as well as their parents. This viewpoint isn't only coming from men or from extreme groups. These are teenagers in guiding who feel their friends will be excluded and further marginalized.

Of course children and young people will respond positively to the simplistic message of 'loving and accepting everybody'. They don't yet have the knowledge and experience to know how the world works.

There's a very good reason why safeguarding of children is exclusively arranged and controlled by adults, and we don't just leave the youngsters to safeguard themselves.

Do you actually have any transgirls in your unit? It's fine if it is your friend but what if it is a random male that they don't know.
Have you asked them this when they don't have to speak up in front of others. Trans rights groups are very aggressive and it is scary to speak up against them.
Do they also support transboys as members?

That sounds like a unit which is failing to follow the diversity and inclusion policies if it is a unit either where gender critical members feel unsafe to express their protected beliefs or where gender critical members felt unwelcome to join at all and have been excluded and marginalised.

Maybe the girls in the unit should reflect on that.

Girlguiding has always existed for girls. That means excluding all boys.

There have been girls in the past who went to the press because they wanted their male best friend to join because he was special and not like other boys and liked "girly" stuff. That wasn't allowed either. It is your sex not your personality that determines whether you can join a single sex organisation.

Just because some girls want their girl-only activity to become mixed sex doesn't mean they should be allowed to destroy a girl-only organisation for everyone else. That's not kind, that's selfish.

Why don't they join Explorers? Genuine question. Why do they think Rangers with added boys is better?

I know, right? I mean why the fuck would you join a girls organisation, with girl in the name and then be all sad about the fact your male friend can’t join up too, when there are numerous mixed sex groups to join?

People find groups by all sorts of methods, often 'my friend goes'. They probably haven't heard of sea scouts or woodcraft folk or know that st john's do youth groups.

Plus, they are - yes, sometimes vulnerable - young people who Girl Guides as an organisation has mislead into thinking they can be guides. As such I feel some duty of care is owed. Not to the extent of keeping them, but signposting current members and future enquiries to appropriate other groups seems proportionate to me.

There have been girls in the past who went to the press because they wanted their male best friend to join because he was special and not like other boys and liked "girly" stuff. That wasn't allowed either. It is your sex not your personality that determines whether you can join a single sex organisation.

One of the things of Guides for me was that it gave us a space where there were no boys for contrast so we were not edged into doing 'girly stuff'. We could do all sorts of stuff. My group favoured making things with bits of wood, penknives and string, and setting fire to things.

It's one of the advantages of girls only schools too. It at least partially removes stereotype threat from the situation. Take out the 80% boys and suddenly there's no question Computer Science/Engineering/Physics is for girls, there's a whole class of girls doing it right there. Our local boys school said the same about their food tech/textiles GCSE groups.

Boys are not marginalised.

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All of them?

Really? How big is this group anyway?

Excuse me while I take a cup of:

"I'm finding that very, very hard to believe"

What she said

I wouldn’t get too excited about the member call. In the past they’ve just been a broadcast opportunity really with no chance for interaction.

I would be genuinelyinterested in how those teenagers would answer questions like “why was GG created for girls only” and what are the qualifications to “be” a girl?

It's straight out of the playbook with the clarion call of 'trans rights are human rights'. Men who like to dress in stereotypically feminine ways are completely locked out of society and effectively confined to their own homes, because they're not even allowed to use public toilets... apart from the ones right next door to the ones they're demanding access to, with a picture of a man on the door, that is...

Changed (to ill-suited) name for this.

Posts about their charitable responsibilities are interesting.

After the recent announcement, I emailed Girlguiding to express my concern that girls who support the decision are at risk of being targetted or sidelined in the current context (encouraged by their emotive wording). I asked for their assurances that they were aware of this risk.

They replied with what could only be the generic reply to people concerned by the decision - lengthy reassurances that they really value transgirls and will do everything they can to continue to support them. Not a single reference to the demographic I'd asked about.

So I emailed again to point out that they'd not read my original letter, and ask again about the girls themselves.

Guiding's next reply was firm. They literally told me that the wellbeing of such girls isn't a "current priority". That their focus is, instead, on those "most directly affected" by the decision. That they had nothing more to add.

I honestly hadn't dreamt that they'd put that so explicitly, and in writing. It was upsetting to get.