Latest Girlguiding email this evening

[clementina25]

I have just received a new email from Girlguiding. They are planning on setting up a task force - 'Today, we're launching a taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women. You can help us by sharing your ideas and/or expressing an interest in contributing to our taskforce. '
I'm thinking that it's really important that sex realists are included on this task force as I think that there will be pressure from the Trans handmaidens to change Girlguiding to a mixed sex organisation. Is there anyone else who has received this email and would be keen to collaborate?

The world has gone crazy it’s frightening times.
Common sense is in short supply and things that were unheard of only a few years ago are now front and centre…

Found this video clip and agree she was brave.

https://news.sky.com/video/protesters-demonstrate-against-trans-girls-ban-on-joining-girl-guides-13483079

If anyone fancies giving their input you can add it here: https://transactional.girlguidingnews.org.uk/c/AQjm9g0QlOJxGK2-xYQBIPCzlyEo9PDVE43CMxcYEyVbsZOhC4zLrLf62W8t7-tBZl9PiIdFLoN_

The survey is very short and has a box for free text contributions - I would encourage as many of you as possible to fill it in.

I can't get the link to work? Just me?

The best thing the guides have done with all this is send emails TO ALL PARENTS including those who weren't engaged on the subject saying 'males are being hard done by and we should focus on them rather than the girls'.

Keeping in mind that pretty much every single parent of a rainbow, brownie and guide has made a deliberate decision to send their daughter to a single sex organisation rather than the likes of Scouts...

...and every single one of those parents will have done this for a reason involving understanding that they felt single sex was better for their daughter.

So the conflict between HQ who are trying to promote mixed sex inclusion versus the parents who have actively chosen single sex provision is really stark - potentially greater than in the general population.

The YouGov figures from last year's survey, said that less than half the public were onboard with shared facilities and when it came to medicalisation of under 16s it was about 10%. I can't see the parents of guiding children as being more supportive than the general public. Indeed I suspect they are more likely to be GC. And those were the public figures for this issue 12 months ago. We've come a long way since.

This has disaster written all over it, because it strikes me they don't know their membership parents well and have NEVER consulted them over this matter before. For all the 'Be Kind' ultimately single sex is important to this group. A lot of parents have also kept their mouth shut knowing the issue hasn't been impacting their group directly - until now, when they are talking about using funds and resources for males against their charity remit.

Remember this is an organisation that has been in financial trouble in recent years and had to sell off a number of it's properties to stay afloat.

They are playing with fire - and not the burny hot kind - the potential for a rather rude awakening is rife because you've got all the parents who didn't know this was going on and all the parents who weren't directly impacted keeping an uneasy polite silence.

I just sense that actually, this might lead to a massive backlash which HQ haven't even remotely anticipated because they are that far out of touch.

People are starting to openly challenge and say enough of this bullshit. And none more so than parents of daughters - apart from lesbians.

I don't think Girl Guiding has a fucking clue about what is liable to happen next.

Strange outfit at the protest.

Leather bras and bondage harnesses are not suitable for girl guiding meets.

How many of those at this protest are likely to be parents of members?

How many will be activists trying to coopt children to validate and legitimise their own middle age transition.

The number of 'masked raiders' will be interesting.

When I was looking for a video of the sky news report that a pp had mentioned, I found a GB news report which said it was 70-80 people at the London protest and was a mixture of TRAs, volunteers, and parents.

It looked to me like volunteers turned up in uniform. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume that the majority of those without any uniform on probably aren't members.

My two DD are in guides and it's great for them. It's all girls, I have no idea if the leaders are genderwoo believers or not - it just hasn't been a deal. If it became an issue, I'd speak up. But it isn't, and I wouldn't want to deprive my children of the experience, because of what seems to be some completely out of touch people making a lot of noise at the top.

Saying that, I will be responding to the email.

But I just wanted to point out that, as we know, empty vessels make the most noise and this principle may not be an issue in practice in your local unit, so if you think your girls would enjoy it, I wouldn't keep them away on a point of principle.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15381001/Protesters-demonstate-Girl-Guides-headquarters-against-groups-new-ban-transgender-girls.html

Rainbows leader Ann Burnett, 56, was with her daughter Lauren, 23, who is non-binary and has attended Girlguiding from a young age.

Ms Burnett said: 'Girlguiding is a society not an organisation, that should include everyone, not just those assigned female at birth.'

I'm not even going to comment on that quote...

Is there a Ranger’s badge for knowledge of the subjugation of women by men over the last god knows how many centuries?

Thought not.

Mother-of-two Heather Collins said: 'This is an opportunity to teach children about inclusivity, my other child is involved in the Scouts movement and I hope we don't see the same policy changes there.

'The powerful women who are behind this should feel a deep shame.

'The Supreme Court decision is about gender recognition certificates, which under-18s can't even obtain. It has got nothing to do with the Supreme Court.'

I don't want to be rude so I will simply say that reading this brought to mind Stock's comments about why trying to reason with people like this is futile.

In light of the comments about Scouting, I do wonder if some of the people in uproar and protesting are because they have not understood that the policy change means that (biological) boys cannot join and they think it is saying that (biological) girls who describe themselves as "trans" will not be able to join/will have to leave?

If so, that is a further indictment of the way this has been communicated and the refusal to use accurate and clear language to ensure people understand.

People who are in scouts complaining that there isn’t a mixed sex organisation for all children are just odd. I can see guides and scouts merging. So few people leading guides seem to see the point of a single sex organisation

It also, again, highlights the role the BBC have played in all this. Already, I'd say there's a better chance of that mistake not being made because of recent reports at last defining transwoman in exactly the way Justin Webb did before being censured for it. In other words, their change in reporting - "house style", if you will 🙄 - has made this knowledge accessible to parents so they can now exercise their right to support or protest the decision accordingly (as opposed to before, when some weren't even aware of issues like males in prisons, toilets and guiding).

You know, BBC? Like in a democracy?

The guidance reminds me of watching Elf with DD 2 when she was quite little. At one point Will Ferrell says something like Santa, why don't some children believe in you? DD2 turned to me, and was "what? Why would he say that? Why would you ask that question...?" It hadn't even occurred to her at that point that he may not exist.

The guidance is setting it up to say you might be trans. It doesn't even need to go anywhere near that. It should be saying (if it even needs to) what does it mean to be a girl, which can't girls do that, what ant boys do this? It's opening up a questioning that doesn't need to exist.

There will not be a merge!!!!

Scouts actively advises against setting up new premises shared with Guides because the two organisations are run so differently and these arrangements run into problems so quickly.

Suffice to say the local scouts here do not get on with the local guides. (Diplomatic version).

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha from their website:

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Yes as an aside to this discussion, I’ve found it so interesting having one DD in Brownies and having been a Brownie myself, and my younger having joined Beavers. The vibe of the two organisations is so different- I know just two individual sections so may not be representative. But the brownies are just so stiff compared to the beavers! Beavers seem to be all fun, craic and adventure, with some self discipline woven into that. Brownies just seems all rules, expectations and matronly by comparison. My DD in it loves camping and nature and can’t get a place in scouts so just hanging on until til Guides so hopefully she can get more of that at least.

Thank you. She appears around 1.09 in. I think they give her name - god she really is brave! - but my hearing isn't good enough to catch it.

Storyhousenamechange · Today 22:22
The guidance reminds me of watching Elf with DD 2 when she was quite little. At one point Will Ferrell says something like Santa, why don't some children believe in you? DD2 turned to me, and was "what? Why would he say that? Why would you ask that question...?" It hadn't even occurred to her at that point that he may not exist.

'SANTA!!! I KNOW HIM!!!!'
sorry I couldn't resist😁

It's Jean Hatchet. Veteran campaigner. https://x.com/JeanHatchet

Thank you so much, it's great to know who she is.
The name rings bells... I'm sure she has done something brilliant that has been talked about on this board.
Well done Jean Hatchet!

And complete failure to realise or acknowledge that some (if not many) of the girls will actually welcome the decision, or not really care either way.
They must be allowed to form their own opinions on this and not be told it’s “sad”.
My daughter is almost 15 and although not in guides now she was a brownie, and she definitely wouldn’t have wanted boys there, and she would definitely be pleased boys were no longer allowed to join guides.

Supposing we started to present genderwoo as old hat, out of date, so early 2020s, , it's 2026 now, society has moved on, we've all moved on, nobody believes TWAW any more, transpeople already have the same rights as anyone else, the SC has made it clear that sex means biological sex, what a pity organisations like the GG are stuck in the past...

A bit mischievous and tongue-in-cheek, but it's amazing how quickly the bloom fades off a fad, and it starts to look and sound silly, like people in masks and leather bras saying boys belong in the Girl Guides..

Well that's not remotely disturbing 😳

Agreed.

To a point.

The problem being the most vulnerable kids are the ones who don't follow trends as such anyway. They are the uncool kids.