Latest Girlguiding email this evening

[clementina25]

I have just received a new email from Girlguiding. They are planning on setting up a task force - 'Today, we're launching a taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women. You can help us by sharing your ideas and/or expressing an interest in contributing to our taskforce. '
I'm thinking that it's really important that sex realists are included on this task force as I think that there will be pressure from the Trans handmaidens to change Girlguiding to a mixed sex organisation. Is there anyone else who has received this email and would be keen to collaborate?

Good god. The effort poured into soothing the feelings of men who have been told no.

Astonishing. Its like the whole organisations has now dedicated itself to teaching girls how to abase themselves and appease men.

It may be happening slowly, but it's heading in the right direction.
Sanity is returning at long last.
It seems to me that setting up a new equivalent organisation to cater fo the trans identifying community would be of benefit to both sides.
It would also have the additional benefit that any staff who wanted to strongly support trans issues would be best suited to move to help setup the new organisation and leave guides to females.

I wonder if boys in scouts can identify as girls. That seems the obvious place for these children to go but will scouts apply the law where they separate by sex?

"We are happy to allow the privacy and dignity of the majority of our members to be violated until September or for them to self exclude until September. We are devastated about the impact this will have on the boys (and their parents) who are responsible for this impact on girls and are being forced to leave. It not fair on the boys. Why are you all so mean to boys. We are an organisation centred on girls apart from when there's boys present playing dress up who want to dictate terms over girls."

Quite.

Would you wish to send your daughter to a group openly intending to teach her that she comes of the sex with a birth right to live for the care and the therapeutic maintenance of males with gender issues? And that her own feelings should be selflessly set aside? She should divorce herself from her own perceptions and thoughts and meekly take on what a male tells her to see and believe and feel? Nurture his inner life while crushing her own? That these males are always so very much more valuable and important than girls just by the virtue of existing?

No thank you. Unless you're busy raising a surrendered wife or a domestic abuse disaster looking for somewhere to happen, why would you? Guides was supposed to provide girls with experiences, freedoms, aspirations and encouragement that was free from boys and men precisely in order to avoid all this.

I suppose that's part of what made it a target.

Just seen this on the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rn250ddjo

Transgender "girls" to leave by Sept 6th; trans leaders to move out of female-only roles.

100%.

The relentless focus on boys and men, and the messagjng that females must be devastated at their exclusion and perform penance for the right of having a single sex orgamisation is frankly sickening.

Nowhere AT ALL is there any addressing of the many members and leaders who are gender critical.

who are by and large the silent majority

Absolutely.

It's really important they stay in post. Triumphalism must be very tempting.

Shows how immensely powerful the leaders of these allegedly vulnerable groups are. Able to influence organisations for women and girls to centre men, able to gaslight generations of children - especially girls - into thinking their bodies are wrong but a sex change is the cure. And able to intimidate the rest of society in to watching silently while they trash organisations, society and the rights of women and girls.

Don’t
I’m a scout leader and am just waiting for that one to happen (though I did catch one of the bigger ones saying “I identify as under five foot “ when I wanted to split them by size so there is definitely an awareness of the crazy)
I think it might schism the leaders (may or may not be a bad thing)

Of course not. To the political lobby, the only good and worthy women and girls are the ones who are submissively and enthusiastically forwarding gender ideology. Within this logic, women who dissent and want rights and equality are not women in the same way that lesbians sexually uninterested in a man with a gender are not lesbians. So there are only women and girls crying into their woggles about being left in a girl-only organisation that respects women and girls rights in law.

I still fondly remember the chap who popped along fairly early in all this to try and convince dissenting women here that they were all in denial about actually being men, and if they'd just admit this to themselves and transition it would all be lovely. Because women identify as women, and that means embracing submission and meek enablement. He was fun.

I don't really think this is a fair take - ultimately we're talking about confused and possibly vulnerable children. I don't think casting them as predators trying to "access" girls is helpful.

I'm glad GG is finally taking the right stance on this. I think it's right there's a bit of a grace period given we're dealing with children.

I agree with the grace period, and that this is going to be an upsetting boundary to a child who has been so far encouraged to believe that there are no barriers of other people's needs and realities to consider.

However I'm afraid it's unfortunately probably naive to reject the 'access to girls' as not being a straight forward part of this. This is why a girl-specific group would have been chosen, and not a mixed sex group where it would not matter how a boy identified. It is unfortunately about his using the girls as props in his identity, and yes there will be adults behind this who have flat out encouraged and set this up for him, but it has still raised the belief that girls have no sex based rights and his wishes to be with them in the way he chooses is important while their feelings and opinions and even their safeguarding must be curated, quite strictly, with consequences for failure, to what he finds supportive and makes him happy. Being required to respect girls and women's legal rights and acknowledge this limit to a boy or man's personal choices is what is causing all this drama and tragedy. It's not good. The saddest part is that these boys will no doubt be being given the same message as is going out in public statements; that it is a tragedy that these girls have enforceable rights, it is wrong, and the suffering of these boy children as a result is a terrible thing, instead of positively raising the need to understand and respect girls and their needs, and to look at the benefits of mixed sex groups instead. Not least as this also reduces locking the poor child into a transition he may later wish to back away from.

I would also say that this is also about the men in women's roles, where the same innocence can't be claimed. Important not to use young boys and their vulnerability as a human shield for this.

There is an issue though on whether new and appropriate safeguarding measures will be allowed to be used in the meantime.

I happened to see this announced as 'Breaking News' on Sky news at lunchtime.

I thought it was great: a newsreader announcing in those special tones they use for breaking news that 'The Girl Guides will only admit girls and young women'.
What?😧Hold the front page!

I think it was very useful, because anybody hearing that who is not au fait with the whole genderwoo thing will have learnt that 'transgender girls' are in fact not girls at all, and that the Girl Guides has had boys in it and will continue to do so till the magic date of Sept 6th, but after that only girls can be in the er... Girl Guides.

I predict some peaking.

The adult male people should be fully excluded with immediate effect. Even if temporary volunteers need to take on those roles until permanent replacements are found.

If those male people are not able to cope with the policy change, I question what they were doing in a position that required them to be looking after the interests of children in the first place.

And adult men who want to access those girls. Did you not read the link?

Is there no media outlet at all who doesn't call these boys "girls"?

Let's remember Sully.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4271810-Girlguides-is-it-a-lost-cause

and

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4409650-To-ask-you-to-see-who-girl-guides-support?page=1

and

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4409035-A-trans-Identified-BDSM-fan-gun-nut-is-now-a-senior-leader-at-Girlguiding

The first link has some of the images posted that have no doubt disappeared of his social media.

No male people should have been given access to female children and this was a huge safeguarding failure by GG who closed ranks and even sent the police to some people's houses who complained.

It has been understood for a long time now that male people with fetishes have been in positions of influence within GG such as Sully was.

Once again I would note that vulnerable does not equal harmless, and anyone who thinks teenage boys are unaffected by porn, sexism, or misogyny may usefully look at the data on the number of girls sexually assaulted in schools.

My concerns are for girls who may be still being exposed to males pretending to be female, and being told by GG that their duty is to coddle the feelings of these boys and men.

I agree Arabella.

Particularly with this: "I would note that vulnerable does not equal harmless".

How odd my comment has been deleted, I didn't think it was controversial and got no notification.....

Good that boys and men are out of the GIRL GUIDES except for those men who have a trans identity and do a job all men can do.