Latest Girlguiding email this evening

[clementina25]

I have just received a new email from Girlguiding. They are planning on setting up a task force - 'Today, we're launching a taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women. You can help us by sharing your ideas and/or expressing an interest in contributing to our taskforce. '
I'm thinking that it's really important that sex realists are included on this task force as I think that there will be pressure from the Trans handmaidens to change Girlguiding to a mixed sex organisation. Is there anyone else who has received this email and would be keen to collaborate?

Actually there were two links. This is the parent one: https://survey.walr.com/d/c?rs=-HEFPr-gW1nMR_9kWqSPIcZ6miKLx07KWI0WHEkTj3oojgFeSlhE0VRR4LQJiOx-y70xRI-L7DxES5PxIGvimgHwuWF3RzdBjOmyBMcSc33gF3dE8d6midpV2-PCQxwtG_8mLILEgmFF-U8l3BM1ICQRupFNj-1CxLG3WnKFbQSUg4vSjXMB7_U_ehwhKqpKF7o3xpFBx4zu71SdTDnIX04mYBHbki9HsORQ1Za5UEk

I think those are specific to you as they say they are finished.

From FB today: How we’re exploring future opportunities for trans girls and trans women to connect with and be supported by Girlguiding ⬇️

In December last year, our equality and diversity policy changed following the Supreme Court’s decision on sex and gender. Since then, we’ve been making steady progress with the taskforce to explore how trans girls and trans women can connect with and be supported by Girlguiding in the future. Over 3,000 of you responded to our taskforce.

The taskforce is a community of around 500 people with a common interest, who come together to share information, generate ideas and explore different ways of offering support. A big part of the taskforce is our panel of 16 people, including people with lived experience, senior volunteers, members, young people, country and region staff and volunteers, parents and carers and subject matter experts.

The taskforce as a whole is considering over 100 ideas which have been grouped into themes, and the theme being discussed right now is ‘showing support for trans girls, trans women and the trans+ community’. Ideas in this theme include holding events, creating activities and campaigns.

We’ll keep you updated on the progress of the taskforce on social media and our website. See here for more information: https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/updates-for-our-members/taskforce-updates/.

Unofficially from a trustee meeting, they are looking to change the royal charter.

Unofficially from a trustee meeting, they are looking to change the royal charter.

That will be interesting, because a charter that promotes unlawful discrimination, such as "for the benefit of women and trans identifying men" will not pass legal scrutiny.

A quick look at the Equality Act (I agree, a quick look is insufficient) suggests that while a charity can have a purpose of benefiting people who share a protected characteristic who suffer disadvantage - arguably people with GR fit that condition - I don't see that it can limit the benefit only to the male kind of people with GR.

As distinct from the section on associations which permits membership to people who share one or more protected characteristics, charitable benefits appears to be permissibly limited to people who share only a single PC. [193(1)]

Arguable therefore a charity can by correctly drafting its governing documents benefit women, or GR people, but not only male GR people, and not, facially, the combination of female people and male GR people.

Sadly that will be me out of they change the royal charter. I hoped that the announcement that they realised they had to accept the law would be a happy day for me, but the absolute terrible grace with which they did it, the assumption in their messaging that all 'right thinking' members would agree with them, and their seeming determination to centre men in an organisation set up with the charitable aims to support girls and young women, made it a deeply upsetting few days and weeks.
I benefited from the single sex spaces that GG provided from ages 7-25. I've also been a volunteer with Brownies and Rangers for over 15 years. The reason I do this is that I believe in the benefits that single sex spaces bring for girls. If I wanted to do what I do in a mixed sex environment, I would have moved to Scouts years ago. I'm staying for now as I still believe in the charitable aims of the organisation, and I see the benefits it has for the girls in my care. I feel so sad that HQ does not agree with this, and the minute they take concrete steps to change the Royal charter will be the day that the final straw breaks and I have to give up something that is a big part of my life and identity.

I think you are safe. I don't think there's a way to change the royal charter compliant with section 193 of the EA2010 to give effect to what they want.

Oh that's upsetting. I would be really sad if they try to do that.

I've emailed the girlguidinginsight email address with my views as I didn't have enough opportunity to give the kind of responses I wanted to in the survey.

Ironically I've received an automatic reply with a link to their girls attitude survey, which highlights the sexism and misogyny girls face and that a majority of girls prefer it when they are just with girls.

The cognitive dissonance at HQ is SO strong... how can they not see the contradictions between this and what they want to do with allowing a subsection of boys take an active part in the organisation?

I suspect if you dug down, you'd find the 'girls' they are actually passionate about addressing the sexism and misogyny and the need to be with other girls, are actually the ones who are boys.

I agree. It's been devastating to discover that those running girls and women's organisations really do despise and devalue them so much. To the point that it's only worth bothering with them if they're a functional backdrop to get some exciting men with gender identities in to work with. Stop the exciting men and what's the point?

But keep in mind anything with the word 'woman' or 'girl' was intentionally targeted at the top for takeover, protestors and resisters were pushed out to ensure no diversity of views or voices or politics, and those left at the top are mostly the activists and their handmaidens, and I don't use the word 'handmaiden' lightly. Political capture in action. And to gender ideologist activists, women and girls really are just valueless, sub human, walking resources and props for men; the sexism is pathological.

Very interesting.

Completely agree. I've been so upset about this.

It is a huge betrayal.

so basically they're devoting a significant amount of staff time & money to consider how girl guides can best support boys and men

when someone shows you who they are....

(and who on the board has got the trans relatives because this level of drive & determination to include boys & men suggests it's very personal)

I guess they can change it to a mixed sex group.

I don't see many boys wanting to join, boys into that sort of thing will probably already be in Scouting.

And those girls that don't want to be in a mixed sex group will leave.

Not to mention the money they'd have to spend to do a total rebranding to adverstise, uniform, logos, badges, etc.

Just for a tiny amount of trans girls. Which is what they'd be left with.

There's one of the regular calls. Maybe a question in advance about how it is being funded?
I'm pretty sure that trustees are personally liable for misuse of charity money.

Do they somehow not realise that it will end up with JUST men and boys like ALL the "inclusive" lesbian groups have?

Only just noticed the Facebook post, going through the comments. So they've been offered assistance from The Piss Poor Project have they? And oh my, the tantrums!

Honestly they would have been much better off telling the TRA and their dummy spitting trantrums to fuck off, nothing will ever be good enough. Waaa waaa we don't want your allyship, waawaa you won't take any money off the Fox Killer!

They can, like the scouts. They seem to think they can change it to “girls and trans girls”, which is more dubious.

And they could probably follow correct process and do that relatively easily. Given the precedent of the Scouts I doubt even despite the need to change the royal charter anyone would stop them

but whoever is driving this within GG knows full well that if it's no longer an organisation for girls and women then it ceases to become attractive to the TRA. They don't want to be allowed to join a mixed sex organisation, they want to be allowed to join a single sex one so they can continue the delusion

If Girlguiding became mixed sex then we would also have to leave WAGGGS. Would we then join the Scouting equivalent? Would we be allowed? We'd loose our history and traditions and just be a youth group.

Indeed but TRA would rather that happened than that women and girls have something of their own that they're excluded from

Exactly, nothing but unfettered access for validation will do, or they will keep attacking until it's destroyed. The usual abusive tactic of if I can't have it no one can.

Each country can only have one member of WOSM or WAGGGS.

There are different categories of WAGGGS member and some of them do have boys in their organisations but there are various requirements to fulfil.

A Full Member of the World Association is a National Organisation working in the true spirit of the Girl Guide/Girl Scout Movement, which shall:
...
a programme based on the Fundamental Principles, using the method of the Girl Guide/Girl Scout Movement and designed to meet the needs of girls and young women of different age groups, adequate leadership and a suitable training programme;

https://www.wagggs.org/en/about-us/membership/types-membership/

Centring boys pretending to be girls based on sexist stereotypes doesn't really seem to be in the true spirit of the Girl Guide movement, however GGUK are so deeply captured by the gender cult that they no longer appear to have the cognitive ability to comprehend what they are doing or why it is so offensive.