Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Agreed. That is why I said it was Trump style provocative stuff.

He knew it would drive the UK right crazy and in doing so it would make him look cool to some left wing people. It gets him headlines. Which gains him more support. Do the speech at the same time and say we need to welcome every migrant. Maximum outreach.

It is good politics. Of course just like many political stunts from the right it alienates moderates, but ZP doesn't care about them any more than Trump did.

Sums up ZP. The thing is I think what is being underestimated is how much this benefits Kemi/Farage. Because Hypnotits while appealing to a minority is really alienating to others and people are going to look for someone to stop his rise.

Zack Polanski: king of the braindead left
The Green Party leader’s rise this year confirms ‘progressivism’ is beyond saving.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/12/31/zack-polanski-king-of-the-braindead-left/

Meanwhile ZP is not beating the allegations. Burnham cannot be Labour leader he is not an MP. This is dumb, What about your attitude to people like Rayner, Streeting, Lammy or any MP who might become leader?

Greens’ Polanski prepared to work with Burnham but not Starmer ‘to stop Reform’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/31/uk-green-party-zack-polanski-labour-andy-burnham-keir-starmer-gary-lineker-bbc

He's trying the Farage game of making the political weather.

It forces other ministers or MPs into pledging whether they'd back him (Burnham/Starmer) or not if asked.

A couple of weeks ago he said Nadia Whittome would be a good Labour leader that a green coalition would work with. I guess he correctly deduced that she's got no ministerial experience or of running a big organisation/ administration but is vulnerable to being guilt tripped as BETRAYING left wing #BeKind principles.

Burnham is a different prospect altogether

The Labour party under any leader would be mad to join forces with the Greens. Many of their new policy proposals are for the fairies and are politically and practically ignorant. Pure Ideological fantasy...the lot of it.

Why are the Labour party looking to Andy Burnham. I don't understand? Running a few devolved areas of governance in Manchester is not the same thing as being PM. He was wishy washy last time he stood for the leadership. Nothing has changed.

Discussion forums such as Mumsnet are social media 😂

Yes, but a very particular form....not a free for all like twitter/bluesky etc with their emphasis on clever one liners and trying to get one over on people.

Please Zack, carry on. Because the more you make yourself prominent, the more we know about you.
Whatever you think about Farage, his political career has been built on doing the hard yards when his views couldn't get traction in a mainly 2/3 party system.
Polanski? Actor to hypnotherapist to LD member/activist to MLA straight to Green leader. Basically the prototype of the very modern Millennial social media activist leader.
Look at Mamdani in NY. Another guy who basically had no career, who wheedled his way via a nothing background of left activist politics to be the left's echo of right populism.
Again, compare to Trump, whatever his major sins, he's led a life and his CV informs him in power.

One might idly wonder, while.digesting the last after-eights and sweeping up the Xmas tree needles, whether someone on the right who wanted to fragment the left, might consider funding someone to create a party that gives a vague semblance of leftish politicking, while being so extreme and batshit that it manages to explode the left entirely, thus leaving the field clear.

If that was me, I'd look for someone shallow, ambitious, and comfortable with performance.

I wonder how much Abdul Malik, the Green councillor from Bristol was really involved in, after his pro extremist social media posts were revealed. He is a magistrate, school governor, community organiser. I wonder how many similar pillars of the community in Labour led councils during the grooming gangs scandals, were obfuscating and aiding the perpetrators of those disgusting crimes, against thousands of vulnerable young children.

https://bristolgreenparty.org.uk/councillor/abdul-malik/

His acting training gave him the tools.
His BS hypnotherapy taught him messaging.
His LD activism gave him the energy.
But, most crazy of all, a far left Corbynite/Omnicause hybrid learnt most for his new job from...Trump and Farage.
It's the advantage all populists have, to be able to say anything they like with almost zero blowback.
Polanski is the fakest populist of all, his CV tells you all you need to know.

It's quite something, isn't it?
While Starmer worked overtime to get anti Semite and all round anti British character el-Fattah into the country and a brand new shiny UK passport issued to him, the sloth and drag on getting the grooming gangs inquest is clear for all to see.
In the Battle Of The Populists in 2029, I think I know how Farage v Polanski will go down.
Polanski fatally holes Starmer, and Farage lands a clean KO on the left as the GE results come in.

Oh I see, that Polanski might as well be in cahoots with Farage BC he's attacking from the left. Likewise Zarah Sultana and Your Party, who find Labour unspeakable.

On Another thread elsewhere, someone said that if in 2020 you'd said there'd be a labour government that had ended no fault evictions, increased the minimum wage, rolled back the 2 child benefit cap and recognised Palestine you'd assume the Corbyn faction would be over the moon. Yet somehow Starmer is a Literal Fascist

Starmer has done all those things, plus the things you'd expect a Labour govt to do, creating swathes of red tape (Rayner's Unemployment law), no attempt to boost growth, tacked back to Brussels, gave away Chagos (plus paid Mauritius for the privilege), working towards an Islamabobia/default blasphemy law, votes for 16-17s, letting Milliband make hay with Net Zero.
The very model of a left technocratic govt.
Yet the vipers on the far left and watermelon left are determined to crush him.
Great. Suits me. I'm a right voter, works for me.

From the Spiked article, linked, his Lib Dem conference singalong.

Criiiiiiinge at that.

The scripted bits and the inspirational singing.

And all from when ZP was wholeheartedly a Lib Dem

Polanski has always been a grifter, nothing "wholehearted" about him other than the compulsion to influence.
Acting to therapy to activism to high politics, something so seamless about this.
And just like his fellow traveller modern day lefty politicians, this is just a stepping stone to the big jobs, those associated with the EU, UN, tech giants, multinational charity-legal blob.

In the Battle Of The Populists in 2029, I think I know how Farage v Polanski will go down.
Polanski fatally holes Starmer, and Farage lands a clean KO on the left as the GE results come in.

This is looking to be what will happen.

The May elections will be interesting to see. Labour was in serious trouble last time and the Green surge was not at this level.

I think the Greens will do very well in inner London. There are a lot of unpopular Labour councils that look like juicy targets.

One thing that interests me, and it might be worth looking at in more granular detail, is that there are a lot of affluent ex-Tory wards now voting Green. Seems to me that in those areas, the Greens are the Lib Dems by other means. I don't know if they'll be attracted by Zackism.

I agree that zackism could have real downsides in those areas. Lib Dem or Tory advantage possibly there.

It all depends if Greens can mobilise extra voters too. Reform is doing that.

In other news sources inside the Greens have said they are now downplaying possible alliances with YP. See YP thread. Best move for the Greens not much to be gained with an alliance. If they are ruthless now in being self interested they gain in long term. They can even do it while looking nice, just say bland stuff and work to win and they won't get blame when YP implodes.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2?page=24&reply=149580528

The dark comedy of the Islamo-left alliance
https://archive.is/V0mSi#

Remember the days when the left was pro-free speech?
Pro-womens rights (even if most of the men were a bit bored by it all)?
Anti-big pharma?
Let me know how many of those boxes are ticked as the left championed cancel culture especially for female critics of trans ideology, they've left women and children behind, they're big boosters to gender medicine profits.
Hell, the LDs biggest donor is gender big pharma.

Okay okay apart from MN… got me there. My original comment ‘not on SM’ was in response to avoiding the news, which as someone posted, creates angst if you get absorbed by it.

News does get noted on MN but diluted. So no angst 😉

'Activists who think bearded men can be women marching alongside bearded men who don’t want women to be seen in public. How was this ever going to last?'

No conflict there. All the lads get on fine.

Also posted in the Your Party thread.

Polling from MRP on potential seats if a general election were held today.

The greens would more than double their seats from 4.. to 9.

But still be dwarfed by a Reform tidal wave

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/more-in-common-s-january-mrp/