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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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fromorbit · 08/12/2025 14:07

Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

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DontStopMe · 27/03/2026 13:38

Owen Jones: "But what about kiosks?"

Owen always gets straight to the most important issues.
😂😂😂

DrBlackbird · 27/03/2026 13:41

Just the complete idiots allowed, even feted, in politics. Madness.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 27/03/2026 13:52

Utter madness. Why on earth do they think socialism would work here when it has failed spectacularly in so many other countries? Seems like the definition of insanity to me.

Pingponghavoc · 27/03/2026 14:00

DrBlackbird · 27/03/2026 09:08

Not surprising that:

  • No more NATO for the uk
  • The EHRC will be targeted. There’s no such thing as competing rights.
  • Sports will become transcentric (those men truly hate being told ‘no’).
  • They’re also unhappy about GG forced to comply with the law and they will somehow get a workaround to stop this.
  • They are calling for Israel to cease to exist. But also they recognise the original proposal looked pretty antisemitic and tried to backtrack a bit in successive amendments. So now they’re against all discrimination based on religion and ethnicity in Israel and elsewhere in the region. Not sure how that works out in practice. Ultimately they’re calling for historic Palestine to be restored with Jerusalem as its capital.

Interesting that:

  • There needs to be a framework to ensure Green MPs are accountable to the GPEW. Clearly worried about controlling future MPs.
  • A ‘crisis in healthcare’ translates into ‘freedom of speech for NHS workers’. Definitely related to Gaza. Just not sure how that relates to FoS? (Also, freedom for some to speak freely but not others obvs).
  • They will ‘discourage’ pubs from serving processed foods. How will they do that?
  • They’re also going to reduce the number of takeaways.
  • It looks like they support AI, blockchain and Bitcoin. Bit confusing though. Surprising they do so given energy demands for cryptocurrency.

Summary: All in all, GPEW policies are strongly indicative of centrally planned interventist govt. Quite communist in its outlook really (even if they don’t like The Worker Party). Not sure that’s worked out well for other countries economies. Apart from China, which relies on a tightly surveilled population to ensure central govt control.

  • They will ‘discourage’ pubs from serving processed foods. How will they do that?
  • They’re also going to reduce the number of takeaways.

These are the policies that intersect with the voters not far from me. They fight to keep takeaways away from the town (apart from chip shops) and do not approve of the pub now serving suspiciously microwave type food.

Lalgarh · 27/03/2026 14:28

Different context, but this screenshot of a tweet helps illustrate the likely split in voter base that the greens have.

Trad conservationists who like gardens and all that shit, Vs the new hyper #BeKind progressive who appear to find most things unpalatable and tainted by oppression

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2
SternJoyousBeev2 · 27/03/2026 14:47

Looking forward to the clips from the conference.

Will they beat this lot for common sense intelligent proposals?

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SionnachRuadh · 27/03/2026 17:26

I didn't think anything could top the Your Party conference for pure entertainment value, but having an MP who makes Barney the Dinosaur look like a subdued colour palate fan is a good start.

StellaAndCrow · 27/03/2026 17:51

Some of their old guard who are actually interested in the environment must be wondering what the party has come to.

One of the party's motions for this weekend is around video games.

They want to introduce legislation to say that developers can't just abandon their video games.

E37 Stop Killing Video Games

Synopsis
Games are cultural works and community spaces, yet hundreds have been abandoned and erased. Stop Killing Games urges protections requiring developers to maintain titles or release tools so communities can preserve them. This preserves digital art, reduces environmental harm, and protects the social spaces many players rely on for belonging.

Add CMS451 "The Green Party would amend existing consumer law to prevent companies from shutting down online services on which video games rely, while it would result in them being left in unplayable states or states which are inferior to that which was previously offered.

In government, we will consult on the variety of ways in which games can be kept as functional as the day they were sold."

Mu-u-um! Will you tell them?! I was IN THE MIDDLE OF MY GAME!!!!!

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lcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2026 18:26

Could they have a word with Netflix and the like, abandoning TV series that aren't resolved properly. Or authors who never finish book series! 😠 Then there are companies that sell smart tvs, cars, toasters, etc. but stop supporting the software so perfectly functional things become obsolete.

While the last one I think is a serious issue, the rest...ffs! It's annoying but should Governments really waste time on games whose popularity has waned, are probably no longer profitable, maybe the hardware is defunct, and the associated companies went the way of the dinosaur.

If they're really going to go down this route, there were some sweets (like minty, pastel Smarties) called Quirks that I adored. I insist the Government passes a law to bring them back. Just for me!

Chersfrozenface · 27/03/2026 18:40

Firefly.

That is all.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2026 18:48

The Game of Thrones books! George RR Martin should be locked up until he finishes them.

JanesLittleGirl · 27/03/2026 19:06

lcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2026 18:48

The Game of Thrones books! George RR Martin should be locked up until he finishes them.

Whereas the fuckwits responsible for the last two series of GoT should just be locked up.

ArabellaSaurus · 27/03/2026 19:15

lcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2026 18:26

Could they have a word with Netflix and the like, abandoning TV series that aren't resolved properly. Or authors who never finish book series! 😠 Then there are companies that sell smart tvs, cars, toasters, etc. but stop supporting the software so perfectly functional things become obsolete.

While the last one I think is a serious issue, the rest...ffs! It's annoying but should Governments really waste time on games whose popularity has waned, are probably no longer profitable, maybe the hardware is defunct, and the associated companies went the way of the dinosaur.

If they're really going to go down this route, there were some sweets (like minty, pastel Smarties) called Quirks that I adored. I insist the Government passes a law to bring them back. Just for me!

Aqua Libra. The proper stuff from the 90s with melon juice and sesame wafts and fairy farts and whatever the fuck else they put in it to make it so lovely.

Lalgarh · 27/03/2026 19:53

SternJoyousBeev2 · 27/03/2026 14:47

Looking forward to the clips from the conference.

Will they beat this lot for common sense intelligent proposals?

Beautiful stuff from the DSA. Urging the overthrow of capitalism but triggered into meltdown by the noise of clapping and "aggressive scent".

They are currently re litigating the old Trotsky Stalin rift after one of their members made a jibe about the Ice Pick incident

https://nitter.net/cmkshama/status/2035056089054548173#m

https://nitter.net/leftvoice/status/2035728344302375115#m

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 27/03/2026 20:27

I know @fromorbit posted links to predictably mocking rightwing reactions to Hypnoboobs's Big Policy Speech to the New Economics Foundation, but GPEW isn't fishing for voters in those waters. It's what the left-leaning media and maybe the BBC (mainly whether they cover it, the how is probably less important) that is a better guide to how he's going down with his target audience.

A transcript of his speech is here.

Graun had a write-up (I was hoping someone else would take one for the team and read that).

Richard Murphy was generally positive:
"There was a great deal to like about this speech. He focused on care, which, of course, pleases me.

He raised issues that have been discussed here often, such as electricity pricing, the Bank of England's failures, and the need to abandon fiscal rules.He also discussed re-nationalisation of key economic activities as a real political option, and that was welcome.

Thankfully, he also discussed the climate crisis we face and referred to many of the ideas that first saw expression in the Green New Deal reports, of which I was the principal author on every occasion.Unsurprisingly, I was keen on what he had to say on tax..."

But he couldn't avoid noting that the speech was heavy on anti-neoliberal rhetoric and light on substantive plans:
"An exposition of an alternative macroeconomic framework is going to be required, and it was not present in this speech.

Nor was there a clear explanation of how he would propose to use the power of the state to create money, to regulate, and to direct. The hint that these things might happen was in the speech, but the conceptual framework was not."

The Standard devoted more pixels to regurgitating chunks of the 'significant' speech than to Anna Turley's Lab rebuttal and made sure there was room to mention the hypnoboobs.

The Independent (still going, apparently) write-up was mainly regurgitation. But he got one and it was quite extensive.

Left Foot Forward also went for regurgitation.

My main source of news these days is Politico. Their website now covers big Reform events and speeches, so I was interested to see if they'd also give Hypnoboobs a write-up. They didn't. So at European level he's not yet accepted as a significant player in UK politics.

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 27/03/2026 20:52

Watermelon thinktankery
I checked New Statesman for a write-up of the HB speech, but couldn't see one. OTOH, after my earlier comment about the lack of serious policy development feeding into GPEW it was interesting to see that they were bigging up Verdant, which they describe as 'Green Party-aligned' (later the article also says Verdant will 'reach onto the Labour benches'), although it's stuffed with refugees from Corbyn and McDonnell's Lab who talk explicitly about developing a leftwing programme.

So still not a Green thinktank and very clear evidence that for now GPEW simply isn't interested in green economic thinking. Lefties think completely differently about the economy and workforce compared with Greens. Even if GPEW were somehow to emerge from its GI hallucination I still wouldn't be interested in rebadged socialism (especially since the one thing I've learned since Corbyn became Lab leader is that anti-semitism and sexism are absolutely intrinsic to the British left).

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 27/03/2026 21:04

Last post from me for now...
During my trawl for coverage of the Hypnoboobs NEF speech I discovered that The Left Lane (which has been covering GPEW goings-on since before the Hypnoboobs makeover) had an online event How should socialists respond to the Green Party’s surge?

It was recorded for posterity and is available here. If anyone watches (@SionnachRuadh - maybe your kind of thing?) it would be great to have an executive summary.

SionnachRuadh · 27/03/2026 21:18

Verdant is James Meadway, isn't it? He's a clever enough lad, and seems to have been moving from think tank to think tank since the days when he was McDonnell's sidekick. I think he gave up on Labour and jumped ship to GPEW some time ago.

Which shows that he's an early adopter of fashion, I suppose, and was able to see that Your Party wouldn't go anywhere. As I say, he's got a brain, but he doesn't bear much resemblance to a traditional Green politician.

cariadlet · 28/03/2026 06:39

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0220d9193ea41737

DrBlackbird · 28/03/2026 11:20

Lalgarh · 28/03/2026 09:29

Greater Manchester police have said no evidence of family voting at Gorton and Denton. Polanski doing a victory lap saying the Greens are vindicated

Background on democracy volunteers and their initial claim

https://bsky.app/profile/jenwilliamsft.bsky.social/post/3mi2uxe4a6k2p

How do they check this? They cannot look at the actual votes per household. So would they just ask ‘did you vote independently? Yes, great no problem.

SionnachRuadh · 28/03/2026 11:46

Labour has been getting away with dodgy electoral practices for decades, and is so far from learning any lessons that the Representation of the People Bill they're currently pushing through Parliament is full of all sorts of interesting proposals to skew the next election in Labour's favour.

I wish there were more politicians who realised that it's in their interest to have elections that the people can trust. And more people who may not like Farage or Reform, but who are willing to turn a critical eye on what the government is doing in the name of Operation Stop Fascism, as they see it.

We're going to see even more clampdowns on speech that's incovenient to Labour, even more restrictions of the wrong kind of activism, and even dodgier elections.

fromorbit · 28/03/2026 17:38

Absolute chaos at the online conference.

Shahrar Ali

"Zionism is Racism" - which represents an existential threat to Green Party moral integrity & political credibility - has been accelerated up the conference agenda from 12th to 3rd. It has also survived a heroic amendment to have it ruled out of order. It seems increasingly likely it will go through later today on a substantive vote. The only remaining obstacle, to have it referred back, looks very unlikely to succeed given it's already cleared two obstacles to being tabled. The main advantage I can see for this motion going through is transparency. Forewarned is forearmed. Better we see Polanski’s Green Party for what it is.

Stop press: I'm hearing conference has been prevented from continuing further following allegations of lying. The formality of passing a procedural motion to continue conference has fallen. I don't know whether this is a last ditch sabotage tactic but I've seen it happen before, just never at this level of Party popularity. My suspicion is that a governing clique in the party have put it about that Zionism is Racism would be electoral suicide.

Shahrar Ali

I think we can now expect open rifts in the party and increased suspicion. This is an early test for the Islamist takeover of the party, which may simply have been postponed, certainly not defeated. But looks like they already have the numbers to push Zionism is Racism at Autumn conference. What this says about the party's ability to run a country when they cannot even run a conference is another matter.

Shahrar Ali

Amendment being put to be able to continue conference without votes. A nice little face-saving fudge tactic. This has governing clique written all over it. Just wait till the governing clique changes.

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Stop press: amendment passed with voting privileges now retained. E12 now E3 Zionism is Racism still on the table. Expect this to pass today. Political suicide still live concern.

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fromorbit · 28/03/2026 18:28

Nicole Lampert

After much filibustering and at least five votes of no confidence in the chair, the ‘Zionism is racism’ motion was not heard at the Greens conference as they ran out of time.
It will now go to the autumn conference.
In the meantime, tomorrow there will be a session on antisemitism which should be interesting.
Thank you to the people who were listening in and letting me know what happened.

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