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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Imnobody4 · 04/12/2025 21:33

Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

x.com/JuliaHB1/status/1996576537894703427?t=VgmnlP9LETiwrihlgEkCqA&s=09

Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:13

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:12

She said her child knew at 9 months?

I would find that very unlikely. How would she determine/ evidence that?

This lying thing you guys like to weaponise though... it's weird. She probably wasn't "lying" why would someone do this? She's probably projecting a perception or belief. People do that a lot:

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Oh no. She was adamant. It’s on a thread in AIBU if you’re interested. It’s a wild ride though.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:15

Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:13

Oh no. She was adamant. It’s on a thread in AIBU if you’re interested. It’s a wild ride though.

Sure link me to it!

But being adamant about something doesn't mean a person is lying. People can just be wrong/ mistaken

Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:17

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:15

Sure link me to it!

But being adamant about something doesn't mean a person is lying. People can just be wrong/ mistaken

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Like you’re adamant our definition of words is wrong. So you’re just wrong/mistaken. Well done for admitting it. You can find it if you look. Have fun

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:19

Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:17

Like you’re adamant our definition of words is wrong. So you’re just wrong/mistaken. Well done for admitting it. You can find it if you look. Have fun

Yes I knew you were going to say that. I know you think I'm wrong: i don't believe I am. BuT either way I'm certainly not lying which I hav been accused of more than once on this thread

Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:21

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:19

Yes I knew you were going to say that. I know you think I'm wrong: i don't believe I am. BuT either way I'm certainly not lying which I hav been accused of more than once on this thread

I’d say you are. You say you know different definitions of men, woman, male and female but you can’t seem to give them. So I’d say your lying about thst

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:21

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:12

Definitions of mutually exclusive concepts, such as male/female, need to be black-and-white. We need to be able to identify whether someone is male or female, in order to know what rights they have, which spaces they can access.

Let's try another way: how would you identify the sex of some random person out there? It's a mental exercise, so we assume you have access to all their documents, to the details of their body down to their chromosomes, and to their lived experiences. How do you determine whether they are male or female?

This is a great example though, in tel life we don't have access to any of these things and yet we are still able to make immediate judgements about sex. 3 year olds can make them:

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:22

Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:21

I’d say you are. You say you know different definitions of men, woman, male and female but you can’t seem to give them. So I’d say your lying about thst

I’d say you are

well then you'd be wrong. Again:

But believe that if you will , it's of no consequence to me.

(most odd though. What motivation would I possibly have??)

HousePlantEmergency · 07/12/2025 20:23

Here's what trans is. By a bunch of trans people. Who disagree with you.

There are hundreds of posts like this

Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.
Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.
Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:23

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:21

This is a great example though, in tel life we don't have access to any of these things and yet we are still able to make immediate judgements about sex. 3 year olds can make them:

Yes. Three year olds can tell the difference between a male and female but you can’t? That’s rather worrying. Have you tried retaking primary school science?

drspouse · 07/12/2025 20:23

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:09

3 year olds are incredibly bright.

I fear you haven't met many 3 year olds or else you are a gentle parent.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:24

HousePlantEmergency · 07/12/2025 20:23

Here's what trans is. By a bunch of trans people. Who disagree with you.

There are hundreds of posts like this

Again. That's about dysphoria which is a different thing. Dysphoria is about distress. I've never said all trans people are dysphoric: they aren't:

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:26

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:21

This is a great example though, in tel life we don't have access to any of these things and yet we are still able to make immediate judgements about sex. 3 year olds can make them:

I wasn't asking you about three year-olds, who base their judgement on whatever stereotypical traits the people around them have taught them.

I was asking about you: how would you determine whether someone is male or female? Are you trying to evade a crucial question again?

HousePlantEmergency · 07/12/2025 20:27

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:24

Again. That's about dysphoria which is a different thing. Dysphoria is about distress. I've never said all trans people are dysphoric: they aren't:

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No. Gender incongruence. Which is exactly what you're referring to when you chant:
"To be trans is to have a difference related to the brain / psyche whereby you persistently , pervasively perceives yourself (stonewall summarise this perception as "gender") to be other than your birth sex. It can be completely debilitating to deny and repress this feeling."

That's gender incongruence. And what is in the posts

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:28

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:26

I wasn't asking you about three year-olds, who base their judgement on whatever stereotypical traits the people around them have taught them.

I was asking about you: how would you determine whether someone is male or female? Are you trying to evade a crucial question again?

I make judgements everyday presumably in a very similar way to my 3 year old. How do you decide who is male and female?

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 20:29

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:28

I make judgements everyday presumably in a very similar way to my 3 year old. How do you decide who is male and female?

Evasion again

sanluca · 07/12/2025 20:31

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 17:33

This isn't about me or my expertise.

I am just explaining/ describing what being trans is- a difference related to the brain/ psyche which causes a person to consistently, pervasively , persistently recognise/ perceive themselves (stonewall summarise this as gender) to be other than their birth sex.

It is not a theory or ideology, or a projection of stereotypes, it operates at a much more fundamental level of the psyche. It is not a type of sexual perversion. There is no evidence of any treatment through which it can be "cured".

You can take it or leave it. But this is what being trans is. In the real world. There are people like this , through no fault or misdemeanour of their own, with all manner of ideologies and beliefs (we have a gender critical one on this thread). It's a variety of human diversity and it needs to be recognised and accommodated in society.

How do you know that this is what trans being is? You are stating definitions as if they are proven and fact based. I am asking what you are basing your statements on.

Can you please link me to the research you are basing your definitions on?

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:31

HousePlantEmergency · 07/12/2025 20:27

No. Gender incongruence. Which is exactly what you're referring to when you chant:
"To be trans is to have a difference related to the brain / psyche whereby you persistently , pervasively perceives yourself (stonewall summarise this perception as "gender") to be other than your birth sex. It can be completely debilitating to deny and repress this feeling."

That's gender incongruence. And what is in the posts

They are talking about "euphoria" and "dysphoria", not about core perceptions of self. These are emotional experiences related to pleasure and distress. Furthermore, they are not even speaking of their own experience; they are speculating about others. If that's the best you can do that says a lot!

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:34

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:28

I make judgements everyday presumably in a very similar way to my 3 year old. How do you decide who is male and female?

You already know the answer to that, because I have explained to you how I define male and female: according to whether their body is geared around producing small or large gametes.

Similar to your 3 year old: does that mean that you go exclusively by presentation?

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:34

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:34

You already know the answer to that, because I have explained to you how I define male and female: according to whether their body is geared around producing small or large gametes.

Similar to your 3 year old: does that mean that you go exclusively by presentation?

How do you determine whether someone's body is geared around producing large gametes?

HousePlantEmergency · 07/12/2025 20:35

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:31

They are talking about "euphoria" and "dysphoria", not about core perceptions of self. These are emotional experiences related to pleasure and distress. Furthermore, they are not even speaking of their own experience; they are speculating about others. If that's the best you can do that says a lot!

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They do dysphoria and euphoria, yes, AND GENDER INCONGRUENCE which you keep giving us the definition of.

"Furthermore, they are not even speaking of their own experience; they are speculating about others"

Erm......😬😬😬

I'd wager they have just a tad more relevant experience than you, as they're actually trans.
But you know that really.

sanluca · 07/12/2025 20:37

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:06

That's the black and white thinking again. Just because we don't have an exhaustive definition for something doesn't mean it's meaningless. Not everything in life is all or nothing

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I am confused now what you are arguing. The word woman does mean adult human female, single sex spaces are needed and even a 3 year old knows if a person is female or male?

Welcome to the world of truth

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:38

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:34

How do you determine whether someone's body is geared around producing large gametes?

I told you: in this mental experiment, we have access to every detail of the person's body. As such, it is very easy to determine what it is geared to produce.

I find it interesting that in an experiment where you have access to all usually hidden details of a person, you still chose to go with presentation. For someone who says being trans is not about stereotypes, you sure seem to go by them yourself.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:39

HousePlantEmergency · 07/12/2025 20:35

They do dysphoria and euphoria, yes, AND GENDER INCONGRUENCE which you keep giving us the definition of.

"Furthermore, they are not even speaking of their own experience; they are speculating about others"

Erm......😬😬😬

I'd wager they have just a tad more relevant experience than you, as they're actually trans.
But you know that really.

They mention the word incongruence once, but it is clear what they are discussing is people who don't feel euphoric or dysphoric. They are not talking about core perception of self. And , again, they are not even describing their own experience, they are speculating about how others might feel.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:40

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 20:38

I told you: in this mental experiment, we have access to every detail of the person's body. As such, it is very easy to determine what it is geared to produce.

I find it interesting that in an experiment where you have access to all usually hidden details of a person, you still chose to go with presentation. For someone who says being trans is not about stereotypes, you sure seem to go by them yourself.

I don't understand the utility of the experiment. It appears to have no relevance or application in the real world?
I was discussing about how we identify sex/ gender in the real world, which to me is much more important.

Namelessnelly · 07/12/2025 20:44

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 20:28

I make judgements everyday presumably in a very similar way to my 3 year old. How do you decide who is male and female?

@Seethlaw asked first. Aren’t you going to answer him?

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