Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

I'd give my right arm for you to describe what living as a girl means to a boy, without involving regressive stereotypes.

Trans women are women. Full stop. They belong in women’s spaces, including lesbian bars.

Ugh.

Was there ever a more homophobic movement than this?

Lesbians are same sex attracted women.

Transwomen are opposite sex attracted men.

What you are proposing is like saying 'lesbians will change their mind if they have the right dick'. It's completely homophobic.

Stop centring men.

What do your little kids say about this? The ones who, er, want to join the guides.

Stop centring men

yeah, about that...

What does it mean for a four year old boy to live life "as a girl"?

Do you think your daughter is old enough to decide her own safeguarding or do you think adults should decide it for her?

But lesbians ARE a special group - they have the protections of the EA2010 specifically.

And you did IMPLY precisely that ‘cis’ women and not lesbian women deserve full disclosure. It’s right there in your own words.

Am not sure you actually understand what cis means either - you do realise it does not mean ‘straight’, don’t you? That lesbian women can claim to be cis if they feel that their gender identity as a female is congruent with their sexed body of a woman? Ergo you can have cis lesbians? At least, according to the theory, to which I do not subscribe

lol.

you know the Supreme Court ruling? Guess where those women met..

Lesbians aren’t a monolith, and the idea that every single lesbian is repulsed by trans women is a myth pushed by a loud minority.

Real life isn’t a YouGov poll from 2019 or a Detroit study that conveniently only asked people who already hate the idea. Plenty of lesbians are perfectly happy dating, sleeping with, and loving trans women. You only have to look at actual relationships to see it.

Thousands of lesbians are partnered with trans women right now. They post on Reddit (r/actuallesbians has been full of happy trans/lesbian couples for years), they’re on TikTok, they’re at Pride holding hands, they’re getting married. The lesbian scene in cities like London, Manchester, Brighton and Glasgow is full of cis lesbians who actively seek out trans girlfriends because they’re attracted to women, full stop, not to a specific surgical history or chromosome checklist.

Sexual orientation is about gender, not genitals. The whole “nobody is attracted to a piece of paper” line from FWS was about legal sex for single-sex spaces, not about who you fall in love with.

Attraction is messy and individual. Some lesbians love trans women pre-op, some prefer post-op, some don’t care either way. Insisting every lesbian must reject trans women is just trying to police women’s sexuality all over again.

Lesbian bars and dating apps that are genuinely welcoming to trans women don’t “collapse”; they thrive. L-Word nights in Soho, the Her app’s trans-inclusive filters, Club Revenge in Brighton, they’re packed. The venues that struggle are the ones that deliberately exclude trans women and then wonder why younger lesbians walk away.

Being a lesbian means loving women. Trans women are women. If a lesbian is into her, great. If she isn’t, also fine, nobody is forcing anyone into bed. But pretending trans women have no place in lesbian spaces at all is gatekeeping, not protecting homosexuality. It just leaves happy, real-life lesbian/trans couples on the outside looking in, and that’s the actual homophobia.

Yes, there are studies and surveys showing that a notable portion of lesbians are open to dating trans women, though rates vary and attraction is always individual.

The most cited one is Blair and Hoskin’s 2019 study on dating preferences, with 958 participants (mostly young adults in North America). It found that 29 per cent of lesbians were willing to consider trans partners, though many showed a bias towards trans men over trans women (likely due to social stigmas around transfemininity). Still, that means nearly one in three lesbians in the sample were open in principle, and real-world anecdotes from the study and beyond confirm actual relationships happen.
A 2025 vignette study echoed this, finding 28.8 per cent of lesbian women interested in dating a transgender person.

A 2023 YouGov poll in the UK showed 84 per cent of cis lesbians holding a positive view of trans people, far higher than the general public, with many expressing support for trans inclusion in lesbian spaces and relationships.

A 2023 Reddit discussion in r/actuallesbians referenced a UK poll where 84 per cent of lesbians supported trans women (higher than any other cis group), and another stat showing 96 per cent of Gen Z lesbians are trans-positive, with a “significant chunk” willing to date trans women if they present femininely. Users there shared stories of long-term partnerships with trans women, pre- and post-op.
Justin Lehmiller’s 2018 survey of over 4,000 Americans found one in four women (including lesbians) had fantasised about sex with a trans partner, suggesting underlying attraction exists even if not always acted on.

These aren’t huge majorities, but they debunk the idea that no lesbians date trans women. Plenty do, as seen in communities like TikTok, Pride events, and apps like Her. It’s not about forcing attraction, just recognising that for many lesbians, trans women are women they can love.

so please see that you are speaking for Gen Z and my guess is you’re a 50 year old lady behind a keyboard who knows little.

Lesbians aren’t a monolith, and the idea that every single lesbian is repulsed by trans women is a myth pushed by a loud minority.

Mate, seriously. Stay out of lesbian spaces.

Biological sex is simple, binary and immutable. An incredible small number of edge cases doesn’t change any of that. A female being born without a womb doesn’t make her a man or a third non-sexed person. If you are trying to tie being trans to DSDs you’re going to enrage a lot of folks.

We are not “scared” of trans people. But we don’t believe that anyone can change sex and transwomen are men and ‘trans girls’ are boys.

As a class of human, females have very good reasons for wanting single sex spaces, services and opportunities. Are you suggesting we cannot? Or are you trying to claim that transwomen somehow lose or never had any of the less than desirable male traits? You might want to speak to Barbie, Isla and their friends. Unless of course you don’t believe they are actually trans? I don’t believe all trans people are predators or are dangerous but I certainly don’t subscribe to the school of thought that they inherently can never be predators or dangerous just because they are trans. Transwomen are male, no more and no less and therefore I view them through the lens of them being male and they therefore don’t belong in Women’s prisons, sport, changing rooms etc. They should not be eligible to apply for female only roles and opportunities and they cannot be lesbians.

The rest of your TRA playbook propaganda is just boring and bullshit.

No one can change sex
Gender is regressive bollocks
Women and girls have rights
No male is a lesbian and lesbians don’t like girldick

swearing

You're new here, I take it?

Trans women are women.

This is obviously false.

You know that. Why keep repeating a lie?

Yes, women will just happily dive into bed with a bloke who may or may not have had 'surgery'.

Especially lesbians. 🧐

What rights do trans people NOT have that everyone else has DuchessFaceRobbin? This question is often asked yet never answered, perhaps you could break the spell and tell us.

Being a lesbian means loving women.

So as transwomen are men, no lesbian is into them. A lesbian is now a woman attracted to women and men attracted to women, nice and logical.

a lesbian in a relationship with a transwoman is bisexual. The End.

Me and my wife will happily still go to them thank you and if my trans daughter when she is older would like to come she’s more than welcome to

Stop forcing your views on other people, you don’t have a right to tell people what they should identify as. It’s like saying I think all TERFs are just closeted trans men complete crap both statements

And there it is!

OneLoftyPombear

I thought you were concerned about your trans identifying daughter, who wants to join the guides?

And now you write screed, after screed, as to why men must be able to access lesbians in their own spaces?

so @OneLoftyPombear you’re a male, married to a female, (hetero relationship) with a trans kid?

Haha!!

Can we assume your “wife” is male?

If a woman is having sex with a man she's hetero or bisexual. Even if that man identifies as a woman. Perhaps you don't understand words. A lesbian is same sex attracted. In your world anyone appears to be able to identify as anything they want. So words only mean what each individual means by it. In the wider world, and certainly in the law, words have specific definitions. The specific definition of a lesbian is a woman who is attracted to women. The Supreme Court judgement was partly based on this fact.