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ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 2025-12-02T14:07:22+00:00

Have just had an email from them... As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us. Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth. Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling. From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community. There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week. Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation. Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us. You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website. We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence. While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision. If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 14:35

What if the biological girls don't want to get changed with a transgirl with a biologically male body? Why are their wishes less important?

This.
Why?

Seethlaw · 04/12/2025 14:35

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:17

Consider the stark realities: trans girls endure “gender minority stress” that sends mental health crises through the roof. In the 2024 LGBTQ+ Youth Mental Health Survey, 72% of trans and non-binary young people who faced discrimination had thought about suicide, more than double the rate for their cisgender peers. A 2014 UK study found that 48% of trans people under 26 had attempted suicide, compared with just 6% of all young people. The Trans Mental Health Study recorded lifetime attempt rates of 35%, seven times the national average. After the 2020 Bell v Tavistock judgment restricted access to puberty blockers, suicides among trans youth on NHS waiting lists leapt from one in the previous seven years to sixteen in less than three. Whistle-blowers repeatedly warned NHS leaders, including Dr Hilary Cass, yet the evidence was buried. That is not oversight; it is outrageous negligence that costs young lives. Almost half of all trans people in Britain have seriously considered suicide, according to the Mental Health Foundation.
Schools, which should be places of safety and growth, too often become battlegrounds. One in three trans children experiences violence or bullying severe enough to make them miss months of education or leave mainstream schooling altogether. Two-thirds of trans girls face harassment that feeds straight into depression. A 2023 study of thirty socially transitioned children laid bare the rising tide of transphobia that leaves them feeling unsafe from primary school onwards. Yet we know that gender-affirming environments cut the risk of suicidality by up to 73%. Why on earth are we denying them that lifeline?
The NHS waiting lists only deepen the pain. More than 5,700 children and adolescents are stuck waiting for a first appointment, a rise of two hundred in a single year. Young people now face delays of two years; adults wait up to ten. Nearly 48,000 people, two-thirds of them under twenty-five, are on lists that grow by 12.5% every year. Some will wait a quarter of a century from first dysphoria to treatment. The indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under-eighteens flies in the face of the nuanced Cass Review and blocks the very care that could ease their distress.
Discrimination is relentless: 62-73% of trans people experience harassment, a quarter suffer physical violence, two-thirds are verbally abused, and 84% no longer feel safe in public. In schools trans girls are segregated, forced to change alone or barred from the correct facilities. Post-2025 EHRC guidance effectively requires exclusion, breeding more bullying. In refuges they are turned away to male wards despite half of them having survived domestic or sexual abuse themselves. There is simply no evidence that trans inclusion increases risk in single-sex spaces; exclusion, however, fuels prejudice and despair.
These policies do not protect anyone; they destroy young lives. They force children to out themselves, spike anxiety, drive school drop-out and breach basic privacy rights. We have better answers: individual assessment, more gender-neutral facilities, proper staff training. Affirmation saves lives. Let us build a Britain where every girl, trans or cis, can simply be herself and thrive. Trans girls deserve nothing less than our wholehearted support; their happiness is our shared victory.

First, correlation is not causation.

Second, if causation there is, it might just as well go the other way around: that way too many young people choose to believe they are trans because they are depressed first. Loads of detransitioners have spoken about the promises people made them of a whole new, better life they would have once they transitioned - except they transitioned and nothing got better because they were never trans in the first place, and their depression had never had anything to do with being trans.

Third, children (and adults!) who cannot deal with being othered, should not transition in the first place! That should be one of the very first topics covered with someone mentioning a wish to socially transition: "Are you willing and ready to face incomprehension and even hostility, both from close ones and from strangers, for the rest of your life?" If not, then social transition should not be considered, duh! When we deliberately paint ourselves as "Other", we must expect some people out there to take us as exactly that: "Other." If we're not in a place to deal with that, then we shouldn't take that step. Expecting instead everyone - everyone - else to be soft and understanding and welcoming is a travesty of what Real Life is like, and it's an incredibly dangerous lie to feed young, vulnerable people.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 14:36

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:23

How would you deal with someone raised female with female genitalia but they were infertile, underwent further testing etc and weren’t simply XX. Should they be excluded from all these spaces?

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How would you deal with a robotic T-Rex with blue hair that thought it was a Robin red breast but its batteries ran out?

ProfessorBettyBooper · 04/12/2025 14:37

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 14:36

How would you deal with a robotic T-Rex with blue hair that thought it was a Robin red breast but its batteries ran out?

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The quality of ploppers is particularly poor today.

Sad times.

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 14:49

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:26

I agree that the UN Women UK report, revealing 71 per cent of women experience sexual harassment in their lifetimes, increasing to 86 per cent for those aged 18 to 24, strongly supports the case for exclusive single-sex spaces to protect women’s safety and dignity.
Yet, facts about transgender girls complicate this. Studies show transgender people face sexual assault at rates around 47 per cent lifetime, often exceeding cisgender women, with US surveys indicating 37 per cent for transgender women specifically.

How does this change the approach to inclusive or separate provisions for trans girls?

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Not sure I believe your claim or the data you are citing.

If it’s derived from the Canan et al 2024 study using self-report questionnaires from 230 NB and transwomen in the midwest of the US between 2016-2017 I’d have to say that I find that statistic likely to be highly skewed, culture specific, and not valid for extrapolation across all cultures and geographical locations - ie or the UK. This compares to the UN’s report: compiled using data concerning and 1000’s of women of all classes, ethnicities, ages within the UK and replicated in other studies re the UK but also those looking at even larger sample global populations [NB it is the UK’s female population and a GG-UK we are concerned with here].

No one should feel vulnerable and society needs to be safer for all - but removing the safeguards for women and girls where we have decades of substantial evidence proving the risks to them from male bodied persons, just because a small number of men or boys with trans identities also have vulnerabilities is illogical and unfair.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 14:50

Silverbirchleaf · 04/12/2025 14:23

Just started reading the article. Creepy or what.

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I note OneLoftyPombear hasn't confirmed she should be welcomed into rainbows.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 14:53

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:17

Consider the stark realities: trans girls endure “gender minority stress” that sends mental health crises through the roof. In the 2024 LGBTQ+ Youth Mental Health Survey, 72% of trans and non-binary young people who faced discrimination had thought about suicide, more than double the rate for their cisgender peers. A 2014 UK study found that 48% of trans people under 26 had attempted suicide, compared with just 6% of all young people. The Trans Mental Health Study recorded lifetime attempt rates of 35%, seven times the national average. After the 2020 Bell v Tavistock judgment restricted access to puberty blockers, suicides among trans youth on NHS waiting lists leapt from one in the previous seven years to sixteen in less than three. Whistle-blowers repeatedly warned NHS leaders, including Dr Hilary Cass, yet the evidence was buried. That is not oversight; it is outrageous negligence that costs young lives. Almost half of all trans people in Britain have seriously considered suicide, according to the Mental Health Foundation.
Schools, which should be places of safety and growth, too often become battlegrounds. One in three trans children experiences violence or bullying severe enough to make them miss months of education or leave mainstream schooling altogether. Two-thirds of trans girls face harassment that feeds straight into depression. A 2023 study of thirty socially transitioned children laid bare the rising tide of transphobia that leaves them feeling unsafe from primary school onwards. Yet we know that gender-affirming environments cut the risk of suicidality by up to 73%. Why on earth are we denying them that lifeline?
The NHS waiting lists only deepen the pain. More than 5,700 children and adolescents are stuck waiting for a first appointment, a rise of two hundred in a single year. Young people now face delays of two years; adults wait up to ten. Nearly 48,000 people, two-thirds of them under twenty-five, are on lists that grow by 12.5% every year. Some will wait a quarter of a century from first dysphoria to treatment. The indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under-eighteens flies in the face of the nuanced Cass Review and blocks the very care that could ease their distress.
Discrimination is relentless: 62-73% of trans people experience harassment, a quarter suffer physical violence, two-thirds are verbally abused, and 84% no longer feel safe in public. In schools trans girls are segregated, forced to change alone or barred from the correct facilities. Post-2025 EHRC guidance effectively requires exclusion, breeding more bullying. In refuges they are turned away to male wards despite half of them having survived domestic or sexual abuse themselves. There is simply no evidence that trans inclusion increases risk in single-sex spaces; exclusion, however, fuels prejudice and despair.
These policies do not protect anyone; they destroy young lives. They force children to out themselves, spike anxiety, drive school drop-out and breach basic privacy rights. We have better answers: individual assessment, more gender-neutral facilities, proper staff training. Affirmation saves lives. Let us build a Britain where every girl, trans or cis, can simply be herself and thrive. Trans girls deserve nothing less than our wholehearted support; their happiness is our shared victory.

its always about the men isn’t it….ffs

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/12/2025 15:02

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:17

Consider the stark realities: trans girls endure “gender minority stress” that sends mental health crises through the roof. In the 2024 LGBTQ+ Youth Mental Health Survey, 72% of trans and non-binary young people who faced discrimination had thought about suicide, more than double the rate for their cisgender peers. A 2014 UK study found that 48% of trans people under 26 had attempted suicide, compared with just 6% of all young people. The Trans Mental Health Study recorded lifetime attempt rates of 35%, seven times the national average. After the 2020 Bell v Tavistock judgment restricted access to puberty blockers, suicides among trans youth on NHS waiting lists leapt from one in the previous seven years to sixteen in less than three. Whistle-blowers repeatedly warned NHS leaders, including Dr Hilary Cass, yet the evidence was buried. That is not oversight; it is outrageous negligence that costs young lives. Almost half of all trans people in Britain have seriously considered suicide, according to the Mental Health Foundation.
Schools, which should be places of safety and growth, too often become battlegrounds. One in three trans children experiences violence or bullying severe enough to make them miss months of education or leave mainstream schooling altogether. Two-thirds of trans girls face harassment that feeds straight into depression. A 2023 study of thirty socially transitioned children laid bare the rising tide of transphobia that leaves them feeling unsafe from primary school onwards. Yet we know that gender-affirming environments cut the risk of suicidality by up to 73%. Why on earth are we denying them that lifeline?
The NHS waiting lists only deepen the pain. More than 5,700 children and adolescents are stuck waiting for a first appointment, a rise of two hundred in a single year. Young people now face delays of two years; adults wait up to ten. Nearly 48,000 people, two-thirds of them under twenty-five, are on lists that grow by 12.5% every year. Some will wait a quarter of a century from first dysphoria to treatment. The indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under-eighteens flies in the face of the nuanced Cass Review and blocks the very care that could ease their distress.
Discrimination is relentless: 62-73% of trans people experience harassment, a quarter suffer physical violence, two-thirds are verbally abused, and 84% no longer feel safe in public. In schools trans girls are segregated, forced to change alone or barred from the correct facilities. Post-2025 EHRC guidance effectively requires exclusion, breeding more bullying. In refuges they are turned away to male wards despite half of them having survived domestic or sexual abuse themselves. There is simply no evidence that trans inclusion increases risk in single-sex spaces; exclusion, however, fuels prejudice and despair.
These policies do not protect anyone; they destroy young lives. They force children to out themselves, spike anxiety, drive school drop-out and breach basic privacy rights. We have better answers: individual assessment, more gender-neutral facilities, proper staff training. Affirmation saves lives. Let us build a Britain where every girl, trans or cis, can simply be herself and thrive. Trans girls deserve nothing less than our wholehearted support; their happiness is our shared victory.

People, including children, who adopt a trans identity are male or female just like the rest if us. To that extent there is no such thing as a 'trans person'. There are, instead, people who have become swept up in a relatively recent phenomena - rooted in post modernistic theories of the self - which encourages them to think that their distress, anxiety, nascent same sex attraction, or inability to conform to social expectations is due to them having been "born in the wrong body".

The greatest cruelty and the most irresponsible message perpetrated by trans activists is telling young people that they are something they are not; encouraging a boy to think he's a girl and vice versa. There can be no long term good that comes out of this. And furthermore, encouraging false beliefs also negatively impacts upon everyone else: their rights, their needs for privacy and dignity, and their established protections.

I used to be a teacher, and when I left teaching in 2010 there was no such thing as a trans child. Nobody had heard of it. Non conforming youngsters tended to adopt identities that were focused on music or fashion or on certain kinds of literature ( gothic, for example); some came out as gay or lesbian.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 04/12/2025 15:09

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:17

Consider the stark realities: trans girls endure “gender minority stress” that sends mental health crises through the roof. In the 2024 LGBTQ+ Youth Mental Health Survey, 72% of trans and non-binary young people who faced discrimination had thought about suicide, more than double the rate for their cisgender peers. A 2014 UK study found that 48% of trans people under 26 had attempted suicide, compared with just 6% of all young people. The Trans Mental Health Study recorded lifetime attempt rates of 35%, seven times the national average. After the 2020 Bell v Tavistock judgment restricted access to puberty blockers, suicides among trans youth on NHS waiting lists leapt from one in the previous seven years to sixteen in less than three. Whistle-blowers repeatedly warned NHS leaders, including Dr Hilary Cass, yet the evidence was buried. That is not oversight; it is outrageous negligence that costs young lives. Almost half of all trans people in Britain have seriously considered suicide, according to the Mental Health Foundation.
Schools, which should be places of safety and growth, too often become battlegrounds. One in three trans children experiences violence or bullying severe enough to make them miss months of education or leave mainstream schooling altogether. Two-thirds of trans girls face harassment that feeds straight into depression. A 2023 study of thirty socially transitioned children laid bare the rising tide of transphobia that leaves them feeling unsafe from primary school onwards. Yet we know that gender-affirming environments cut the risk of suicidality by up to 73%. Why on earth are we denying them that lifeline?
The NHS waiting lists only deepen the pain. More than 5,700 children and adolescents are stuck waiting for a first appointment, a rise of two hundred in a single year. Young people now face delays of two years; adults wait up to ten. Nearly 48,000 people, two-thirds of them under twenty-five, are on lists that grow by 12.5% every year. Some will wait a quarter of a century from first dysphoria to treatment. The indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under-eighteens flies in the face of the nuanced Cass Review and blocks the very care that could ease their distress.
Discrimination is relentless: 62-73% of trans people experience harassment, a quarter suffer physical violence, two-thirds are verbally abused, and 84% no longer feel safe in public. In schools trans girls are segregated, forced to change alone or barred from the correct facilities. Post-2025 EHRC guidance effectively requires exclusion, breeding more bullying. In refuges they are turned away to male wards despite half of them having survived domestic or sexual abuse themselves. There is simply no evidence that trans inclusion increases risk in single-sex spaces; exclusion, however, fuels prejudice and despair.
These policies do not protect anyone; they destroy young lives. They force children to out themselves, spike anxiety, drive school drop-out and breach basic privacy rights. We have better answers: individual assessment, more gender-neutral facilities, proper staff training. Affirmation saves lives. Let us build a Britain where every girl, trans or cis, can simply be herself and thrive. Trans girls deserve nothing less than our wholehearted support; their happiness is our shared victory.

The sample sizes from the bulk of these cases are so small as to be meaningless. @OneLoftyPombear - one you directly quote is thirty children. A primary school class load

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:09

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:52

I just thought this was a place for mums to share concerns and I was sharing concerns about my Daughter and Son. Didn’t expect a load of TERF replies, was hoping for support

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And yet, I have read nothing but support for you and your children on this thread. How have people not be supportive of you?

Datun · 04/12/2025 15:12

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:26

I agree that the UN Women UK report, revealing 71 per cent of women experience sexual harassment in their lifetimes, increasing to 86 per cent for those aged 18 to 24, strongly supports the case for exclusive single-sex spaces to protect women’s safety and dignity.
Yet, facts about transgender girls complicate this. Studies show transgender people face sexual assault at rates around 47 per cent lifetime, often exceeding cisgender women, with US surveys indicating 37 per cent for transgender women specifically.

How does this change the approach to inclusive or separate provisions for trans girls?

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Male violence is an absolute scourge on society.

Why the hell do you think 10-year-old girls and female teenagers should be used as human shields to mitigate it??

Seriously, your misogyny is one of the worst examples I've seen.

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:14

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

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Wow. The hyperbole in this post is dripping off.

However, you seem to dismiss the degree of gain that female children have with clear and strong safeguarding measures in place now to protect them. Previously, no parent or female child could consent with full knowledge to situations where consent is important because no parent or female child was given the information that a male child was going to be present.

You really seem to be weak on safeguarding to dismiss the huge safeguarding failure that was this previous policy.

DonicaLewinsky · 04/12/2025 15:17

Women who want to give away our sex based rights really are completely awful.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/12/2025 15:21

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:23

How would you deal with someone raised female with female genitalia but they were infertile, underwent further testing etc and weren’t simply XX. Should they be excluded from all these spaces?

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It is not about individual cases...it is about general rules that are there for good reasons; usually to do with dignity, privacy and safety. Safeguarding.

We all know that female only toilets are for females only. We rely on the social contract to maintain this. Nobody is going to be standing outside inspecting everyone who enters a facility, but schools and workplaces will be expected to make clear the rules and do what is within reason to enforce this.

People who breach these boundaries will be personally liable for the consequences of that breach.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/12/2025 15:41

DisappearingGirl · 03/12/2025 09:55

Does anyone have a share token for this (old, 2022) article about Katie Alcock please?

Trying to share info on the case with a friend. Thanks

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/girlguiding-tied-itself-in-knots-over-trans-rights-kn89nx6xm

Here is the Archive version.

https://archive.ph/wJI5g

Top tip - if there is a web page you are interested in behind a paywall hop over to archive.ph & put that URL into the box labelled "I want to search the archive for saved snapshots" & click on the search button. That's how I found the Archive link above.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 04/12/2025 15:44

It is not about individual cases...it is about general rules that are there for good reasons; usually to do with dignity, privacy and safety.

Precisely this. The SCJ references it.

Individual difficult situations and challenges do not outweigh the needs of the massive, massive majority. What should be provided instead is additional accessible spaces for the complex few.

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

GailBlancheViola · 04/12/2025 16:00

ProfessorBettyBooper · 04/12/2025 14:37

The quality of ploppers is particularly poor today.

Sad times.

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OneLoftyPomBear really has spoiled us today with all the tired tropes, un-gptcha gotchas and insults.

We've cycled through:

The homphobic slur directed at lesbians that they are dangerous sexual predators in female only spaces whilst in the next breath claiming allegiance with the LGB+++++++++++

The very tiny number of people born with a DSD whilst ignoring, as all TRAs and allies do, that people with DSDs have repeatedly asked NOT to have their condition(s) used as a 'gotcha' because it patently is not.

Suicide statistics that have been debunked many times

The tragic murder of a teenager by two very disturbed teenagers

Emotional blackmail

Insults

A veritable feast.

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 16:05

Not on this thread but on Facebook...
Girls commitvSA on other girls so adding Trans girls isn't an extra risk.

GailBlancheViola · 04/12/2025 16:08

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

Determination to police language and tone used by women in an attempt to discredit what they are saying it is yet another tactic straight out of the TRA and Allies Misogyny Handbook.

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 16:12

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 16:05

Not on this thread but on Facebook...
Girls commitvSA on other girls so adding Trans girls isn't an extra risk.

yes, we have seen this fallacy used plenty of times.

The statistics never actually support this fallacy though... strange that. Almost like it was simply an emotionally manipulative sound bite rather than an evidenced observation.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/12/2025 16:24

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

We're not feminine enough if we fucking swear, are we?

So it logically follows that they're actually complaining about men that dont know they're men despite our resolutely male vocabulary overriding our bodies, I guess.

Oh, the transphobia!

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 16:56

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

Fucking unbelievable, isn’t it?

LostMySocks · 04/12/2025 17:05

Silverbirchleaf · 04/12/2025 13:49

Does anyone else feel nervous in posting on Facebook etc in support of the statement?

Yes most definitely.
I've drafted an email to HQ but am nervous of sending it.

LostMySocks · 04/12/2025 17:07

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

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This group may well be vulnerable and deserve protection.
It is not the job of young girls to act as shields. Guiding is their single sex space for their own personal development.