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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/11/2025 18:00

I have missed all of this. Has Vicky Foxcroft said anything? She is my MP. Annoyingly, she knocked on the door the other day for canvassing purposes, and I was just out of the bath so another member of the household answered. Otherwise I could have given her a few points I'd have wanted her to raise (had I but known she was doing this today).

Sausagenbacon · 24/11/2025 18:01

Is she the in the v necked jersey? If so, yes, at the start. An attempt to smear Prescott.

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/11/2025 18:03

It's tiresome that the questioning from the Committee has mostly focussed on Trump, I would have liked the other issues, on which the BBC coverage has been lacking, to be discussed but I think those would have drawn just as much posturing from the MPs so perhaps it's just as well they weren't raised.

WarriorN · 24/11/2025 18:11

shar is saying it’s important to note a mistake, own up, and make sure it’s corrected; there’s been bugger all inquests into the promotion of trans ideology and the impact on children in this country,

SEEN in journalism’s transgender trend podcast noted that there was a direct link between I am Leo and numbers of girls being referred to the Tavistock

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UtopiaPlanitia · 24/11/2025 18:16

If Rupa Huq was on the Board would it not be fair to say she would be 'known to be quite Labour' in her views?

This trying to smear Gibb is getting tedious.

Sausagenbacon · 24/11/2025 18:18

She seems to think she's Sherlock Holmes

WarriorN · 24/11/2025 18:19

Plan for women voters, there’s 51% of us!!!

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MarieDeGournay · 24/11/2025 18:19

WarriorN · 24/11/2025 18:11

shar is saying it’s important to note a mistake, own up, and make sure it’s corrected; there’s been bugger all inquests into the promotion of trans ideology and the impact on children in this country,

SEEN in journalism’s transgender trend podcast noted that there was a direct link between I am Leo and numbers of girls being referred to the Tavistock

There's that word 'mistake' again, as if somebody hit the wrong key or something - the matters in question are thought-through editorial decisions, not 'mistakes'.

The BBC's decision to refer to trans-identifying men as if they were women - whether or not they have a GRC, so they can't even defend it by saying 'Well legally they are women... ' - is a blatant example of bias:
they clearly picked one side in a highly contested ideological/social/political issue and their reporting reflects that, and is clearly not impartial.

As WarriorN says, where's the analysis of that obvious lack of impartiality?

WarriorN · 24/11/2025 18:23

Quite, none of that was a “mistake.”

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NotThatWay · 24/11/2025 18:23

WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION WOMAN

NotThatWay · 24/11/2025 18:27

I went into this not thinking much of Shah. But now I think he feels like a steady hand.

Sausagenbacon · 24/11/2025 18:28

At last, a decent question

Sausagenbacon · 24/11/2025 18:30

Shah has spent the last hour saying same thing on repeat. Mistakes were made, we'll look into them.
But that's the fault of the questions

Sausagenbacon · 24/11/2025 18:31

Another smear.

NotThatWay · 24/11/2025 18:32

Ha ha ha.

"When he called you before he sent the memo..."

"No, I called him. Checking in."

"Splutter"

TempestTost · 24/11/2025 20:07

nauticant · 24/11/2025 17:42

It's this attitude that if someone is aligned with Labour, they have a place at the BBC, and it's so natural it shouldn't even be remarked on. But if the alignment is with the Conservatives, that's a red flag. (Maybe it should be a blue flag.)

I think this is really important and key.

If these people knew their job at all, they wouldn't be trying to imply that anyone is problematic because they have a conservative bias, any more than they are problematic because they have a left bias.

Trying to shut differernt viewpoints out is the problem.

WarriorN · 25/11/2025 05:38

Chair says Shar didn’t have a firm view on how he would sort it out. Which I suppose is fair after Prescott repeatedly said there’s a lack of systematic processes

BBC may not be in 'safe hands' under its chair, says committee head https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd74ne84lqdo

BBC chair Samir Shah walking down a street carrying a file

BBC may not be in 'safe hands' under its chair, says committee head

The most senior MP on the culture select committee says Samir Shah's evidence to MPs was "wishy-washy".

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd74ne84lqdo

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BonfireLady · 25/11/2025 07:29

Managed to catch about 25 mins of Shah yesterday before being subsumed into evening family conversations.... which were far more interesting than Shah's soporific waffle.

From the small snippet I saw, he was positively glowing with love for the BBC (good to see from a Chair but irrelevant in the context) and felt the job of DG was too big for one person.

The latter point simply came across as "there was nothing he could have done". I ended up imagining a similar committee hearing in the wake of Savile, where plenty of people clearly raised concerns but... what could the leadership do? FFS. Listen to the concerns and act on them. That's what.

I'm annoyed that the sex/gender bias issue didn't really feature, given its huge impact on society and devastating impact on the children and young adults who are being irrerversibly harmed, but it seems mad that the board knew about the Trump clip splicing 6 months ago.. and presumably sat on their hands, hoping it would go away. That's not an effective board. That's a bunch of people who might well love the BBC but haven't a clue how to run it.

nauticant · 25/11/2025 09:11

The first hour and a half was more instructive with the Labour and Lib Dem members of the panel grilling Prescott and making clear their "shoot the messenger" approach.

Anyone at the BBC who watched this would get the message that whistle blowing would not be a wise course of action.

EasternStandard · 25/11/2025 09:20

nauticant · 25/11/2025 09:11

The first hour and a half was more instructive with the Labour and Lib Dem members of the panel grilling Prescott and making clear their "shoot the messenger" approach.

Anyone at the BBC who watched this would get the message that whistle blowing would not be a wise course of action.

How bad is that. I remember seeing a good quote on here about institutions respond to threat.

I can’t find it though, it was close

nauticant · 25/11/2025 09:52

The way I read it was that the politicians were worse. The BBC were largely hand-wringing with "we're trying our best!", "what else could we do?", with the heretic Prescott as an outlier. The Labour and Lib Dems members were often coddling of the BBC in terms of the corporation being a victim or having had the right instincts in how they edited the programme.

The Committee was acting in an oversight role but largely failed in that.

DontStopMe · 25/11/2025 10:02

I only saw bits of this. Prescott was most impressive, Shah and the MPs? Not at all. I had to stop watching Shah, he was annoying me so much.

Sausagenbacon · 25/11/2025 10:09

Totally agree with your assessment Nauticant

HildegardP · 25/11/2025 21:56

BonfireLady · 25/11/2025 07:29

Managed to catch about 25 mins of Shah yesterday before being subsumed into evening family conversations.... which were far more interesting than Shah's soporific waffle.

From the small snippet I saw, he was positively glowing with love for the BBC (good to see from a Chair but irrelevant in the context) and felt the job of DG was too big for one person.

The latter point simply came across as "there was nothing he could have done". I ended up imagining a similar committee hearing in the wake of Savile, where plenty of people clearly raised concerns but... what could the leadership do? FFS. Listen to the concerns and act on them. That's what.

I'm annoyed that the sex/gender bias issue didn't really feature, given its huge impact on society and devastating impact on the children and young adults who are being irrerversibly harmed, but it seems mad that the board knew about the Trump clip splicing 6 months ago.. and presumably sat on their hands, hoping it would go away. That's not an effective board. That's a bunch of people who might well love the BBC but haven't a clue how to run it.

The reason the professional managerial class like to keep splitting up jobs like DG isn't just more jobs for the boys but the diffusion of responsibility it brings. "Such a shame that [x] went wrong but it was administratively unclear whether DG1 or DG2 should be briefed so the report on [x] remained pending while the team consulted on the appropriate chain of command, nobody's fault, nothing to see here..."

BonfireLady · 25/11/2025 22:34

And presumably it would then take even longer to issue an apology statement that could be agreed upon 🤦‍♀️

Ostensibly, it gives the impression of greater accountability but in reality, it's more likely just more wiggle room to avoid it, as you say.

ETA, I meant to quote @HildegardP