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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How would you handle your (adult) child coming out as trans?

275 replies

Thinkingtoomuchandnotsleeping · 19/11/2025 13:24

Just that really. I am petrified of losing our incredibly close relationship but I cannot come to terms with the expectation that I am supposed to just affirm his choice.
He is very early in his "realisation".
How would you approach this?

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Ddakji · 21/11/2025 18:06

Diverze · 21/11/2025 18:01

"We can talk about your discomfort, your questions, and what you’re trying to work through - slowly, honestly, and without pressure to declare a fixed identity or rush into anything. I’m here for you, I'm not against you. I want you to feel supported, grounded, and connected to reality as you figure out who you are.”

This is disingenuous though isn't it? Because you are presupposing the outcome and against the person adopting a trans identity.

As I have said many times on this thread, many trans people know they aren't really the other sex and that they don't pass. What people don't get is that "passing" isn't what drives transition, well it might be for homosexual transexuals, but not for autistic young people. It's about their sense of self.

But presumably it’s into entirely internal if, as you said upthread, if others won’t go along with the new identity, that’s a problem.

It often seems to me that trans requires an audience. It’s external.

We seem to have moved away from being happy in yourself and never mind what anyone else says. Now it’s all about getting others to “affirm” your sense of self.

Diverze · 21/11/2025 18:20

Ddakji · 21/11/2025 18:06

But presumably it’s into entirely internal if, as you said upthread, if others won’t go along with the new identity, that’s a problem.

It often seems to me that trans requires an audience. It’s external.

We seem to have moved away from being happy in yourself and never mind what anyone else says. Now it’s all about getting others to “affirm” your sense of self.

Again, as I have said, my DC only cares that people who purport to love them at least attempt to accept their identity. Casual server in shop or person on bus - they really don't have those expectations about.

When they go out and about their look is androgynous rather than strongly gendered. I suspect this is a form of protection. They are fully aware they don't pass, so they don't wear highly gendered clothing and look like a person going to a fancy dress party. In return, they don't have any expectations of being perceived in the gender they have chosen.

This isn't the same for everyone. But then trans people, like other sectors of society, are all different. One of the facts that tends to be missed from discussion here.

HildegardP · 21/11/2025 18:28

Financial · 21/11/2025 06:06

When you’re pregnant everyone asks what do you hope the baby is.... the reply is always "it doesn't matter as long as it’s a healthy baby."

So when you then give birth to a beautiful baby girl or boy and there maybe comes a time, many years later, when that baby chooses to change into a young man or woman.

Should your answer not still be the same?

“I don't care as long as my baby is healthy”

You skipped the bit about his mum having a BRCA mutation, him not being tested & the potential significant risk to his health were he to be put on oestrogen?
If you imagine that UK adult gender services would offer him a genetic test or refuse him oestrogen were he a carrier, you must be very unfamiliar with the ideologues running those services.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 18:29

Diverze · 21/11/2025 18:01

"We can talk about your discomfort, your questions, and what you’re trying to work through - slowly, honestly, and without pressure to declare a fixed identity or rush into anything. I’m here for you, I'm not against you. I want you to feel supported, grounded, and connected to reality as you figure out who you are.”

This is disingenuous though isn't it? Because you are presupposing the outcome and against the person adopting a trans identity.

As I have said many times on this thread, many trans people know they aren't really the other sex and that they don't pass. What people don't get is that "passing" isn't what drives transition, well it might be for homosexual transexuals, but not for autistic young people. It's about their sense of self.

If you're reading that from that quote then, forgive me, but you're projecting.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 18:31

Diverze · 21/11/2025 18:20

Again, as I have said, my DC only cares that people who purport to love them at least attempt to accept their identity. Casual server in shop or person on bus - they really don't have those expectations about.

When they go out and about their look is androgynous rather than strongly gendered. I suspect this is a form of protection. They are fully aware they don't pass, so they don't wear highly gendered clothing and look like a person going to a fancy dress party. In return, they don't have any expectations of being perceived in the gender they have chosen.

This isn't the same for everyone. But then trans people, like other sectors of society, are all different. One of the facts that tends to be missed from discussion here.

Trans people are indeed different. One of the absolutely crucial difference is, perhaps unsurprisingly, sex.

Whether a person is male or female has a huge impact on their path through 'gender incongruence', from the reasons for feeling incongruent to the reasons for 'transition', to the effects of various medications, surgeries, and how they are likely to be treated in the world once on this path. Az Hakeem is good on this, well worth a google. A very experienced expert in this area.

Ddakji · 21/11/2025 18:39

I’m sorry if I’m being stupid here @Diverze but thats still an external rather than internal sense of self? The audience may well be small and intimate but it’s still required, and required to play along. (I appreciate that probably isn’t done purposefully in your DC’s case).

sanluca · 21/11/2025 18:43

Diverze · 21/11/2025 14:33

If you bothered to read all my posts on this thread you would know that I absolutely don't think that.

Why don't you come and take over parenting here, if you could do such a better job.

I am not saying I could do a better job but if your response is immediately jumping down my throat for stating you are pitting your child against many other children, then all I can do is wish you and your child the best of luck

sanluca · 21/11/2025 18:48

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/11/2025 15:40

Please give us an example of how to say "‘women and lgb rights matter, you will never pass and people won’t accept you" in a "non confrontational" way.

Espeically bearing in mind that it's not the adult speaking it's the young person listening who decides what counts as "confrontational" or not.

How do you explain that sometimes they need to think of the impact their actions have on others? Well, exactly like that. Parenting is also saying out loud the hard things.

Young adults find a lot of messages in the adult world confrontational. Doesn't mean they are, doesn't mean somethings shouldn't be said.

TigTails · 21/11/2025 18:50

It does young people (men especially) no harm at all to not have everything they want in life sometimes.

HildegardP · 21/11/2025 18:51

Diverze · 21/11/2025 18:20

Again, as I have said, my DC only cares that people who purport to love them at least attempt to accept their identity. Casual server in shop or person on bus - they really don't have those expectations about.

When they go out and about their look is androgynous rather than strongly gendered. I suspect this is a form of protection. They are fully aware they don't pass, so they don't wear highly gendered clothing and look like a person going to a fancy dress party. In return, they don't have any expectations of being perceived in the gender they have chosen.

This isn't the same for everyone. But then trans people, like other sectors of society, are all different. One of the facts that tends to be missed from discussion here.

There's a lot of missed facts when it comes to ASD & trans. A significant one being that a few years back, Lupron was touted as a "cure" for ASD, Many of the same people who flew that imbecile kite then went into "gender services" where Magic GnRHas can "treat" - what? Gender Identity Disorder? Gender Dysphoria? Gender Incongruence? We have treatments with no stable definition of what's being treated & absolutely no real diagnostic criteria. Don't get me started on the lack of longterm follow-up or even proper surgical standards.

Don't you think it's odd that so many more people with ASD are transitioning? Don't you think it's noteworthy that an alleged medical specialism with such a preponderance of ASD patients is getting away with not operating within medical norms? I mean, it's not like we haven't been ill-served by the medical establishment before.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 19:15

sanluca · 21/11/2025 18:48

How do you explain that sometimes they need to think of the impact their actions have on others? Well, exactly like that. Parenting is also saying out loud the hard things.

Young adults find a lot of messages in the adult world confrontational. Doesn't mean they are, doesn't mean somethings shouldn't be said.

Yes. And sometimes we have to hold the line even though our child may rant and rail and find it objectionable. Sometimes that's exactly what they are seeking, despite what they may verbalise.

Sometimes they actually need to know that you dont agree or dont suppprt their behaviour - the difference between being permissive and being understanding can be very difficult to tread.

The dynamic will change as they become adults, of course, but in fact the suggestion that we need be careful never to be confrontational or at odds with an adult child is a bit patronising. A healthy relationship has space for disagreement, even strong disagreement.

SwirlyGates · 21/11/2025 20:18

@JamieCannister One thing that is missing is that by definition (and it is best case / rare) if they do "pass" then all this means is that you have successfully conned strangers and vague aquaintences that you are the sex you are not. I think that there is a strong argument that lying is always wrong, and if the lie is to people who do not know you or care about you then what's the point anyway?

This reminds me of a parent on this board whose primary aged daughter had a good friend who was a boy claiming to be a girl. He did pass, because, well, he was a young boy, but when the daughter found out her friend was really a boy she was devastated. She had been lied to by her friend and by all the adults. It's just cruel.

Ddakji · 21/11/2025 20:31

Yes. Passing = deceiving and people don’t like being received and can react very badly to it. And potentially the deceiver can go to jail, as happened quite recently.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6xlwn570lo.amp

Hoardasurass · 21/11/2025 21:16

Diverze · 21/11/2025 18:20

Again, as I have said, my DC only cares that people who purport to love them at least attempt to accept their identity. Casual server in shop or person on bus - they really don't have those expectations about.

When they go out and about their look is androgynous rather than strongly gendered. I suspect this is a form of protection. They are fully aware they don't pass, so they don't wear highly gendered clothing and look like a person going to a fancy dress party. In return, they don't have any expectations of being perceived in the gender they have chosen.

This isn't the same for everyone. But then trans people, like other sectors of society, are all different. One of the facts that tends to be missed from discussion here.

The problem is your child expects people who love him to lie to him and affim his fantasy or he'll cut them off with your blessing and thats not ok. Its abusive and controlling behaviour that will only harm and isolate him in the long-term.
Maladaptive coping strategies should never be indulged or pandered to it just encourages and reinforces them making it harder to break the cycle.
I truly do feel for you and your ds but he needs serious longterm non affirmative therapy not coerced affirmation

Diverze · 21/11/2025 21:36

Hoardasurass · 21/11/2025 21:16

The problem is your child expects people who love him to lie to him and affim his fantasy or he'll cut them off with your blessing and thats not ok. Its abusive and controlling behaviour that will only harm and isolate him in the long-term.
Maladaptive coping strategies should never be indulged or pandered to it just encourages and reinforces them making it harder to break the cycle.
I truly do feel for you and your ds but he needs serious longterm non affirmative therapy not coerced affirmation

Well thank you for your viewpoint. Since we haven't had to "cut anyone off" we don't really know, do we.

My kid is the least abusive and controlling person in the world. You simply don't understand, and nor will you, since you do not know them. However if you read our history and thought "that person sounds abusive and controlling" then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 21:37

Coercion can be achieved through vulnerability, too.

WorriedNorthernMum · 21/11/2025 22:27

My 21 year old daughter has been presenting as male for for 5 years, breastbinding and using a male name outside the family with her friends. I tried talking, finding out why, but she wouldn't listen and I found it so hard. We never affirmed her. She's at university now, and I was terrified of what would happen. Last month she called me to officially come out as transgender, that she couldn't keep living 2 lives. She is going to legally change her name and transition physically. I am broken. I love her, she is a part of me as her mother. But I don't think I can bear to see her as this other person. To have a new voice and different body, another name. I never believed she go this far. One of her new friends is also a 'trans boy' and I think they have decided this together . Her dad thinks I've been radicalised and her sister says it's embarrassing that I won't embrace this decision. It will break our family, how do we tell her grandparents. She may be an adult, but I still have to try and protect her, but there's nothing I can do now. Even if she desists, the changes are irreversible, I'll never hear her voice again

Until this reality hits you, how can know how you will react. Would you be able to accept knowing the danger and medical pain they will go through. That it feels I'm waiting for my daughter to die. I'm working out how our future will be, will I have to leave home when she's here, the pain of seeing her will destroy me. Will this Christmas be the last time I ever see her.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 22:36

I'm so sorry, WorriedNorthernMum. Sending you all my best.

TigTails · 21/11/2025 22:44

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WorriedNorthernMum · 21/11/2025 22:53

I can't believe her dad thinks it's ok, he's just as captured. I found it incredible that he didn't feel like I did. He's the first to call out cults but can't see this one right in front of him. He won't listen to me.

TigTails · 21/11/2025 22:57

I’ve just said the same and my comment has been deleted. Case in point.

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 22:57

Have you got support from friends or other family members? You could get in touch with Bayswater, I think there's a link upthread.

Do take care, and seek out somewhere safe you can talk to others who know what you're going through.

WorriedNorthernMum · 21/11/2025 23:02

ArabellaSaurus · 21/11/2025 22:57

Have you got support from friends or other family members? You could get in touch with Bayswater, I think there's a link upthread.

Do take care, and seek out somewhere safe you can talk to others who know what you're going through.

I'm the only GC around here. I can't tell my extended family. I've told her that's her responsibility as an adult. There are friends I will visit who will understand, but it's really all too late.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/11/2025 23:10

I'm so sorry @WorriedNorthernMum

Diverze · 21/11/2025 23:21

@WorriedNorthernMum I guess in the same situation I chose acceptance. The thing with adult children is that there is nothing you can do.

I think some people are forgetting that I didn't affirm my kid when they were 15 and 16 and 17. Then it all retreated, apparently until 22 and in those years I was openly GC and congratulated myself on effectively dodging that bullet.

The difference in the responses you are getting compared with me are upsetting though. We are both just parents trying to do the best we can for our vulnerable kids.

And presumably they think your kid is coercive, controlling and abusive too, only no one is telling you that.