Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival - Thread 2

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Continuation of previous thread - don’t have all the details to hand to add here, so if someone can pop them on, pls do! Want to get this up quickly!

I’ve just been following on here and that has been fascinating.

I am so glad I did some gardening for NW. He is brilliant.

It did seem a bit "nothing to see here. Moving on..."

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Can't wait! The other panellist may be sweating a bit too...

does the recusal application get mentioned in the judgement? Or is it outside the scope and never again to be spoken of?

Who knew these tribunals would turn out to be so enthralling.

Never mind doing one offs, Netflix could do a whole sodding series! "ET" wouldn't work as a title though as I think there may be a film called that!

Naomi agreed to continue because I don't think she had much choice - panel with 2 or panel with new member.

She may still appeal and I would say definitely will appeal citing the conflict if she loses.

This would be great because the Employment Appeal Tribunal creates a precedent.

I assume the judge considered it sufficient to state after the break 'nothing to see here' and expect it to be accepted, rather than talking about DB's medical condition.

Is there any evidence to believe that DB had a negative reaction to NC saying that TW are men? We have been working backwards from her facial expression and request for a break - is there anything else that reinforces the theory that DB is pro-gender ideology?

So if you accept that it was due to pain and a need to move and take painkiller - which as a FM sufferer, I can confirm is very likely and convincing, there is no other evidence of her bias.

So the drama of the handwritten note seems to have been based on a misinterpretation.

If DB told the judge a different story during that break, i.e. that she objected to TWAM, and the judge urged her to leave the panel because of that, but we'll come up with some cover story about FM - the judge is now blatantly lying.
'An appalling vista'...

In response to some other posts: whatever about the professorship, there is lots and lots of stuff about DB on the internet, about her business, her environmental work, her networking with other women in business and her service on a number of govt boards in NI.
She is not shrouded in mystery, apart from what she's been doing recently - maybe she took early retirement because of FM - I had to😞

Yes that was really noticeable wasn’t it. And no repeated admonishments to NC.

It’s been fascinating to hear from those with local knowledge about how small the world is there. I strongly suspect that before she arrived someone had given NC the heads up about PB and that’s why she was all guns blazing from the outset. It is wholly shocking that an ET panel can include someone with bias and I think the J’s articulated rationale for the recusal and what she didn’t comment on is all the evidence we need that it was true. Sometimes what is not said is a statement in and of itself.

I saw a tweet that described NC as a cross between Mary Poppins and the Terminator and I spat out my tea.

It’s all very strange. Using the Professor title by 2004, as the House of Commons N Ireland Affairs Committee report on Waste management shows, but in the 2010 newspaper article linked upthread, is called plain 'Debbie Boyd', and according to other online mentions, got 8 O levels and attended Lurgan technical college. Married in late teens.

The best reason not to be outright insulting about your opponent's submissions in court is that you will look like an absolute plank if you then lose (if only in form not substance) to a "pig of an application."

I can't help but think that normally PB would have waited until the break and took pain relief then, or preventative medication earlier during a break if she knows there is a likelihood that sitting in one position for ages could trigger it.

It just all seems a bit iffy.

Interesting. That makes a lot of sense.

I’ve been wondering if their approach is institutional/ cultural? So NHSFife is NHS, BFF is the arts? I think the arts is particularly tricky because it’s such a precarious living for most and so none want to risk being black-listed. SM is perhaps the only one brave enough in recent times (given that we have seen what happened to Rosie Kay, Rachel Rooney and Artistbirdy).

Grateful if you could share the links. I've seen nothing but a few published articles of DB attending an event or being quoted. Can find no primary source for any of the claims, including any record of the company for which she is "CEO".

I meant the first time they went out and came back. Before NC added her extra info. I think if it was me, I'd have wanted any doubt nipped in the bud asap.

I still think NC has something else behind the scenes. But then, I also wrong a lot of the time 😂

Sorry to hear about the FM

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/the-golden-girls/28534941.html

Debbie Boyd, 50, in article above from 2010. J said her background was in 'waste management'. She seems to be a CEO of a green recycling company. I wonder if she has other ideas in common with the Green Party, but have found mothing yet.

Will this do as representative, Akela64?

Re3's Chief Executive Officer, Professor Deborah Boyd, is the 2009 NIEA Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year.
The prestigious eco-industry award was presented to the Armagh entrepreneur during Ireland's 'Environmental Oscars', in Belfast, Northern Ireland, yesterday afternoon.
The judges selected Professor Boyd because of her dedication and commitment to environmental innovation in Ireland. They also praised Re3 for the advances the company had made during the construction of Re3's revolutionary biomass production plant, in Limerick.
RE3 CEO Wins Environmental Leader of the Year

I wonder if the professorial title is honorary as her bio in 2001 news article seems to indicate she left school and started work young, becoming 'self-made' in mid life.

I think there were a couple of contemporaneous comments from observers about the face so from more than one source and corroborated. As someone else pointed out, those contemporaneous observer comments also noted that she sped out the room and was first at the exit which even I, approaching 60 and with bad knees, would struggle to do even tho I don’t have fibromyalgia. So I think on the preponderance of eye witness evidence, coupled with the certain knowledge that NC has undoubtedly been given the heads up privately that Boyd is TRA adjacent, and J offered no comment on other elements of application that it is quite clear.

I do not believe J would go so far as to lie but I believe J would warn PB in that moment not to say something she might regret ie don’t articulate your own emotional response to pronouns, and so PB shifted to pain to cover her intemperate immediate reaction.

I'm not going to second guess why a woman in her 60s with a medical condition was able to get out of a room at speed.
Maybe she was heading for the loo!

This seems very plausible to me.

Also if it was the case that PB/DB mentioned a conflict, the judge could be in trouble for not bringing it up, hence the reason being fibromyalgia.

A self proclaimed professor and 'waste management expert'.

A receptionist in 2004 and a professor in 2006. No professional history since 2015, self described industry background, and no links to any HE institutions.

That's the oddest resume ever.

Also: ‘Prof Sarah [sic] Boyd to J "can we rise for a second I have a concern’

is an odd way to express it if you want to halt a hearing mid testimony bcos you are in pain.

Wouldn’t it make much more sense to find a natural pause and ask for a break as a matter of urgency if in considerable pain?

I don’t believe that she was say ‘I have a concern’ in that moment unless it was a concern about the action in front of her.