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BarbaraLSB · 11/11/2025 22:45

Sorry - haven’t read the thread but the BBC’s capture etc on trans issues was discussed on The Newsagents podcast on Monday’s edition.

BarbaraLSB · 11/11/2025 22:52

Here’s some of the transcript:

^“You talk about the trans issue and whether there was capture. I think there was a bit of ideological capture, not just in the BBC, but actually in many institutions in public life in Britain. But I remember working at Newsnight with Esmue Wren and Hannah Barnes and Deb Cohen.

And we were looking at the question of the Tavistock. This was the only gender identity development services for the under 16. And we questioned why it wasn't data-led, why it seemed to be so arbitrary with the kind of recommendations and advice and even blockers that they were handing out to young people.

And the work we did actually led to the closure of the Tavistock, about three years ago.”

From The News Agents: Inside the BBC: What really went on, 10 Nov 2025
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000736136498&r=1651
This material may be protected by copyright.^

BarbaraLSB · 11/11/2025 23:07

Sorry I see this was discussed upthread - but actually this is the quote I was looking for from Jon Sopel:

^“I mean, you know, on the issue of trans, I think the BBC bought into a way of thinking that was promoted by Stonewall, was captured, wouldn't allow other viewpoints to be expressed. And I think the BBC got that wrong.”

From The News Agents: Inside the BBC: What really went on, 10 Nov 2025
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000736136498&r=1538
This material may be protected by copyright.^

Really good to hear this being said openly by a former senior BBC journalist- and probably more significant that a male journalist has bothered to say it…???

cheeseismydownfall · 11/11/2025 23:25

Has anyone clocked this coverage of the Darlington nurses from earlier this evening? Currently on the BBC front page.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4wnkvy9jo

There seems a marked shift in the reporting, in terms of the ordering (leading and closing with the nurses perspective) and the clarity of language.

NHS bosses "penalised" female nurses complaining about a transgender woman using their changing room, an employment tribunal has been told.

Eight nurses are challenging a policy which allows the single-sex room at Darlington Memorial Hospital to be used by Rose Henderson, a biological male who identifies as a woman." (my underline)

A group of women arrive at the tribunal office. At the head of the group is Bethany Hutchison, who has long blond hair and is wearing a red coat. Beside her are several smartly dressed women with long brown hair.

Darlington nurses penalised for trans complaint, says lawyer

Closing submissions are being made in an employment tribunal brought by eight female nurses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4wnkvy9jo

maltravers · 12/11/2025 01:34

I think the website one is still “Tees” so tucked away in local. However, the Darlington Nurses story was on the BBC’s News at One (and I understand the Ten o clock news), and accurate coverage too. I’m really pleased at the change (although the speed at which it has been effected does rather suggest they were aware of the problem all along). Onwards and upwards…

Pryceosh1987 · 12/11/2025 01:43

I believe gender should come naturally.

TempestTost · 12/11/2025 02:36

EsmaCannonball · 11/11/2025 22:40

I once worked at a broadcasting organisation that ran an annual internship programme for BAME people. (BAME was the fashionable term then.) The people they chose were literally all public school, Oxbridge, Ivy League types; not just middle class but rich. Most of them came from families who had worked and travelled around the world and some of them had already done internships at big American media companies. The internship was paid but not one of them could have afforded to live in London without some kind of parental help.

I also knew an Oxbridge graduate in the BBC's Talent Pool (for 'Talent Pool' read 'entry level jobs on a zero hours basis') who could only afford to do that job because her parents already lived in London. I know someone from an ordinary lower-middle class background who did the BBC journalism trainee scheme but even he said he could only do it because his parents gave him a few thousand pounds towards his living costs.

They have no idea how un-diverse they are.

I've never understood how people can believe that when you are looking at social disadvantage, the fact that there may be more people of certain ethnicity or races that are poor, or vulnerable, or with less education, does not mean that rich, well off people from those same backgrounds are disadvantaged in the same way.

It sometimes seems like they think it's some kind of inherent mental issue rather than a reflection of economics and upbringing.

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:42

cheeseismydownfall · 11/11/2025 23:25

Has anyone clocked this coverage of the Darlington nurses from earlier this evening? Currently on the BBC front page.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4wnkvy9jo

There seems a marked shift in the reporting, in terms of the ordering (leading and closing with the nurses perspective) and the clarity of language.

NHS bosses "penalised" female nurses complaining about a transgender woman using their changing room, an employment tribunal has been told.

Eight nurses are challenging a policy which allows the single-sex room at Darlington Memorial Hospital to be used by Rose Henderson, a biological male who identifies as a woman." (my underline)

i am just OVERJOYED to wake up to see this thread from seen in journalism.

several clips sewn together of the coverage from yesterday

three on TV, including a sit down interview with the nurses and radio report on radio 4 at 6 pm

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1988379490826023235?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

SEEN in Journalism (@JournalismSEEN) on X

More was supplied at 2200. Looking past the mandated language, this is what you get when you put a correspondent from a specialist hub on the story. An impartial upsum and a sensitive interview. We’d tweak the language but this was great.

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1988379490826023235?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:45

Wtaf is Rory on?

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:45

Anyway, we are looking at you more now woman’s hour 🤨🤨🤨

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/11/2025 07:05

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:42

i am just OVERJOYED to wake up to see this thread from seen in journalism.

several clips sewn together of the coverage from yesterday

three on TV, including a sit down interview with the nurses and radio report on radio 4 at 6 pm

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1988379490826023235?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Wow, certainly a change of tone!

EdithStourton · 12/11/2025 07:55

TempestTost · 11/11/2025 19:49

Ack, should have said, "not all urban" above.

Rural and village perspectives are very underrepresented.

This is an absolute hobby-horse of mine. Reporting on rural issues in general, across 95% of the media, is absolutely appalling. It's based in ignorance and incomprehension, and there is often a sense of superiority running through the reporting. The BBC, as the national broadcaster, should be doing very much better than bloody Countryfile.

Sorry, needed to vent, a diversion from the main thrust of the thread.

Teribus21 · 12/11/2025 08:04

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:42

i am just OVERJOYED to wake up to see this thread from seen in journalism.

several clips sewn together of the coverage from yesterday

three on TV, including a sit down interview with the nurses and radio report on radio 4 at 6 pm

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1988379490826023235?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

I would be more overjoyed if there had been an apology based on a sincere change of heart. This just looks like massive arse covering to me so that when challenged, they can deflect by saying “ yes but Darlington nurses blah, blah, blah”. They are panicking. The misogyny, dismissal of women and disregard for child safeguarding will still be there.

BeKindWisely · 12/11/2025 08:06

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:45

Wtaf is Rory on?

What did Rory say?

borntobequiet · 12/11/2025 08:21

There would be a pleasing irony if the BBC could be persuaded to do an exposé of the illegal trans policies of just about every NHS trust in the country, as penance for its previous sins. Perhaps Panorama would be the appropriate choice.

EdithStourton · 12/11/2025 08:33

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:45

Wtaf is Rory on?

Rory baffles me. He's not stupid, he appears genuinely caring, and from what I know from a friend of mine who knows him of old (friends with his parents) he's a good egg.

He has the most massive blind spot on this topic. FK what is going on.

DustyWindowsills · 12/11/2025 08:35

WarriorN · 12/11/2025 05:45

Wtaf is Rory on?

A handsome salary from Yale? He doesn't dare say a word.

EdithStourton · 12/11/2025 08:38

DustyWindowsills · 12/11/2025 08:35

A handsome salary from Yale? He doesn't dare say a word.

That could be it.

DustyWindowsills · 12/11/2025 08:50

BeKindWisely · 12/11/2025 08:06

What did Rory say?

"Prescott essentially focused on two allegations against the BBC."

He then specified Trump and Gaza. He didn't mention other issues.

That was at the start of his explainer on TRIP #466 on Tuesday, around 3 minutes in.

BeKindWisely · 12/11/2025 09:02

DustyWindowsills · 12/11/2025 08:50

"Prescott essentially focused on two allegations against the BBC."

He then specified Trump and Gaza. He didn't mention other issues.

That was at the start of his explainer on TRIP #466 on Tuesday, around 3 minutes in.

Thanks Dusty.

Frustrating🙄

I can't listen to TRIP anymore. Solely because of this. Causes tension at home as was such a family listen previously.

DustyWindowsills · 12/11/2025 09:13

BeKindWisely · 12/11/2025 09:02

Thanks Dusty.

Frustrating🙄

I can't listen to TRIP anymore. Solely because of this. Causes tension at home as was such a family listen previously.

Same here. Since their woeful response to the SC ruling back in the spring, I've been listening to them less and less.

To be fair, it's Alastair Campbell who really makes me angry.

Datun · 12/11/2025 09:21

Ripx4nutmeg on Twitter has collated some of the gaslighting that the BBC has done over the trans issue in just one year.

It's pretty shocking, actually.

Gaslighting on a massive scale. They have clearly lost their way, over this issue at least. God knows who the people are who pushed all this, but they need investigating

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5442783-ripx4nutmegs-top-40-bbc-pro-trans-agenda?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=shareAre

This is just two out of her 40 examples

This man dresses as a baby girl and wears nappies. He goes into local primary schools to 'teach children about autism' and tries to have one-to-one sessions with them. Despite the obvious red flags, the BBC profiled and promoted him

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

Ripx4nutmeg's Top 40 BBC pro 'trans' agenda | Mumsnet

[[https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1988238395156336849.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1988238395156336849.html]] Just in the last year....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5442783-ripx4nutmegs-top-40-bbc-pro-trans-agenda

nicepotoftea · 12/11/2025 09:30

BarbaraLSB · 11/11/2025 23:07

Sorry I see this was discussed upthread - but actually this is the quote I was looking for from Jon Sopel:

^“I mean, you know, on the issue of trans, I think the BBC bought into a way of thinking that was promoted by Stonewall, was captured, wouldn't allow other viewpoints to be expressed. And I think the BBC got that wrong.”

From The News Agents: Inside the BBC: What really went on, 10 Nov 2025
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000736136498&r=1538
This material may be protected by copyright.^

Really good to hear this being said openly by a former senior BBC journalist- and probably more significant that a male journalist has bothered to say it…???

However, I think Lewis Goodall really, really doesn't understand the issue.

From his substack:

"Just ask yourself, would the BBC champion a presenter who was consistently asking robust questions about the effect of the recent Supreme Court judgment on trans rights? Or would they be more likely to champion someone who was clearly gender critical? Charles Moore made a comment on the Today programme this morning that only someone who had never worked for Corporation could make: that all its biases come from a liberal direction. No- rather the only complaints it fears are from a conservative one."

"would the BBC champion a presenter who was consistently asking robust questions about the effect of the recent Supreme Court judgment on trans rights?"

Why not if they are pertinent questions? From what I remember there were many interviews with people who objected to the ruling, and continued coverage of people who wish to challenge the decision.

However, the Supreme Court were not judging what the law should be, they were judging what the law is. That shouldn't be a partisan question in the UK. Obviously people should be free to campaign to change the law, but the 'robust questions' about the existing law were asked by the Supreme Court.

Importantly, some of the issues had nothing to do with taking a side. Emily Maitlis defended the BBC for their investigation into the Tavistock, but you don't have to be 'gender critical' to argue that medical treatment, particularly NHS medical treatment, should be evidence based. It shouldn't be a right wing/left wing issue.

It shouldn't be a fight to use accurate, clear language when reporting the news.

Sarah Ditum tweeted that

"Coverage sympathetic to the trans activist cause was framed as uncontroversial human interest. Whereas the feminist case was always a debate"

https://x.com/sarahditum/status/1988243432737767611

Sarah Ditum (@sarahditum) on X

This is from 2015 and it's a discussion between three young (17-25) trans people plus Susie Green of Mermaids. Unsurprisingly, all agree that gender identity is innate and transition should happen ASAP https://t.co/5lCLqPEapm

https://x.com/sarahditum/status/1988243432737767611

Floisme · 12/11/2025 10:09

Floisme · 11/11/2025 09:55

I’m pretty sure I read - in one of the Telegraph articles perhaps - that the prigramme was made for them by an ‘outside’ documentary maker who regularly does work for the BBC. I think that’s pretty standard practice these days, I don’t believe they literally produce much of their own stuff any more but happy to be corrected on that.

I also assume anyone working on that basis is expected to meet BBC standards of impartiality.

The article named the documentary maker and also named the Panorama editor who I understood to be a BBC employee.

I’ll try and find the article but it might take me a while.

I know the thread’s moved on but I told @SlackJawedDisbeliefXYyesterday that I’d seen something about who made the Panorama programme and that I’d check.

The Telegraph reported:
The documentary was produced and directed in-house by Matthew Hill, a BBC documentary maker, and edited by Karen Wightman, who has been Panorama’s editor since 2002.’

Full article is archived here:
https://archive.ph/8QEvX

Contemporaneouslyagog · 12/11/2025 10:16

I'm worried it'll be back to Drag Queens and 'what's about the menz feelings' next week.