Scottish Government win review for the right to place men in women's prisons

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https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/snp-court-battle-to-allow-trans-women-in-female-prisons-rpn2dff79

https://archive.ph/Dw1Wl

'SNP ministers are to fight in court to defend the right of biologically male criminals who identify as women to serve sentences in female jails.
A KC representing the Scottish government told a judge at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Wednesday that self-ID policies in jails will remain a “live issue” in a new legal case, suggesting ministers are determined to keep them in place'

'Gerry Moynihan KC, representing the Scottish government, confirmed that controversial schools guidance, which allowed trans girls into female facilities and for biological boys to compete in female sports, had been “withdrawn”.

However, he confirmed that the Scottish government did not plan to back down on its prisons policy, which was rewritten after <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Dw1Wl/www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/nicola-sturgeon-trans-women-isla-bryson-77g8zzbll" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Isla Bryson scandal but still allows male-born criminals to serve sentences in women’s jails if they say they identify as female.'.

'For Women Scotland had wanted their bid to have the schools and prisons policies “reduced”, meaning quashed by the courts, to be conducted under an “ordinary” procedure, which it was hoped would be quicker, cheaper and more straightforward than a judicial review.
However, Moynihan successfully argued that the case should instead proceed under the more complex route, a move likely to lead to increased costs for taxpayers'
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'A timetable will be set in the coming weeks with a substantive hearing to decide matters expected to last two days.'

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The Tories are largely funded by the rich, who see donations as a small price to pay for tax breaks, anti-union laws, and other means of preserving their wealth.

Labour are largely funded by the unions.

Who will want to fund the Lib Dems and Greens? Tiny parties, not likely to form a govt on their own, they don't look worth your while at first, but they can make or break a vote if the ruling party's majority is small enough. And of course, they can be coalition partners with the big two in Westminster, or with the SNP in Scotland. They are inherently vulnerable to being suborned to a fringe issue by entryists and deep-pocketed donors.

But then they would have to say their current arrangements are unlawful and open themselves up to discrimination claims from all current prisoners.

Right, got you now. Yes, they can't argue that to win this review without incriminating themselves. They could try to argue it after the review to abolish single-sex prisons, if they lose the review.

Going back to the original question; how do we enforce this? If the ministers are so bloody-minded and the police captured, that leaves us with the press and public uproar. Come to think of it, would this be something Westminster would intervene in as it would contradict Equality Law across the union? (Not a lawyer; just stabbing in the dark).

I really hope FWS sends in the bailiffs for their award.

As we've seen with the Darlington nurses; the only thing these fools care about at all is bad PR. It's got to be got into the mainstream press.

I don’t understand why the SNP are still set to be the biggest party at the next election.

Nats

Combination of wheesht for Indy and Keir Starmer fucking yo Scottish Labour’s chances.

The Lib Dems might be tiny, but they've got plenty of funders

"The top donors to Lib Dems are:
Lord David Sainsbury (£10,125,000.00),
THE JOSEPH ROWNTREE REFORM TRUST Ltd (£3,428,322.00),
Brompton Capital Ltd (£1,909,126.00),
Mark E Petterson (£1,538,467.50),
George G Watson (£1,376,502.53).

The largest single donation was £8,000,000.00 from Lord David Sainsbury on December 1, 2019."

This is a really important comparison.
I read that story about Harkins with my jaw on the floor. The police should be ashamed of themselves, but instead they're finding it "difficult" to apologise to the women victims!!! Instead they point to the success of the court case, which was only started because of one of the female victims went to the media, not the police. But, if a man thinks a woman has so much as touched the speshul man's brolly, she can expect the full force of the law on her head.
Disgusting, infuriating. What a broken society we live in.

Aye, and what does Lord David Sainsbury think about trans people wanting in to opposite-sexed spaces? Likewise, the other donors?

And of course, the £100,000 which the Lib Dems received in December 2019 from Ferry Pharmaceuticals, who produce triptorelin, a puberty blocker.

But it's not that much money!

And that was six years ago!

I think that was just a little election boost. The total is £1.43 million. Has he had value for his investment? I think so - LDs regularly decline themselves for gender ideology.

The Liberal Democrat party has an interesting and generous benefactor. Over the last six years Swedish billionaire, Frederick Paulsen, has donated £1.43 million to the party through the UK subsidiary, Ferring Pharmaceuticals Ltd, of his Swiss-based company, Ferring.
The chairman of Ferring has been particularly generous in the run-up to this week’s election. As first disclosed in the Sunday Times, Paulsen gave the Lib Dems another £100,000 on November 22 to help fight its campaign.
According to the Electoral Commission, this brings Ferring’s total donations to the party to £1.43m since 2013.

www.reaction.life/p/the-swedish-puberty-block-drugs-baron-and-the-lib-dems

Declared on the electoral commission website. I don’t know if this link works properly.

search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Search/Donations?currentPage=1&rows=10&query=Ferring%20Pharmaceuticals&sort=AcceptedDate&order=desc&tab=1&et=pp&et=ppm&et=tp&et=perpar&et=rd&isIrishSourceYes=true&isIrishSourceNo=true&prePoll=false&postPoll=true&register=gb&register=ni&register=none&optCols=RegisterName&optCols=CampaigningName&optCols=AccountingUnitsAsCentralParty&optCols=IsSponsorship&optCols=IsIrishSource&optCols=RegulatedDoneeType&optCols=CompanyRegistrationNumber&optCols=Postcode&optCols=NatureOfDonation&optCols=PurposeOfVisit&optCols=DonationAction&optCols=ReportedDate&optCols=IsReportedPrePoll&optCols=ReportingPeriodName&optCols=IsBequest&optCols=IsAggregation

It does, thanks Bundle! Thats a bit more money.

You’re welcome - it is quite a lot isn’t it!

A number of individual Labour MPs have allegedly received a number of smaller (but adding up to quite a bit) donations from individuals associated with trans organisations in their own names as I remember. All under the radar. Someone was looking into it a couple of years ago.

What rules allow them to be such utterly disgusting arses

I still wonder if quite so many people would have been peaked by that without his rather questionable choice of leggings and an excellent picture from a photographer.

Too many people still think this means people who have had a full op and been living as women for years. Then you get the 'oh but it must be hard for them'.

They don't see the chancers or the abusers or the absolute nutters. Who was the one who used to bite his own veins.

They are utterly mad to think this won't open the eyes of the public who have been previously in the 'be kind' group. Unless they are actively wanting such a massive backlash it makes this all go away without the SNP having to tell them to sod off or give up their lefty credentials.

Anecdotally, I’ve heard of a couple of such cases.

One was in Scotland & the woman was removed for her own safety.

One I believe was in England & the woman had campaigned for it. It did not go well for her.

Was more making the point for lurkers who weren't aware of such donations and is one that was reported in the Times so can be easily cross checked by said lurkers.

Dammit, who was the Labour MP who got some junket and then went hard TWAW?

I think there’s been a few - Dawn Butler pops into my head but that maybe because of her insistence that babies are born without a sex which is kind of against the whole concept of trans so I’m not sure.

There was one female recorded in a mens prison in Scotland a few years back, I remember seeing it in published figures before they decided not to ever publish them again.

Didn't Streeting get at least one donation? Dont quote me! Just trying to recall.