Scottish Government win review for the right to place men in women's prisons

[ArabellaSaurus]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/snp-court-battle-to-allow-trans-women-in-female-prisons-rpn2dff79

https://archive.ph/Dw1Wl

'SNP ministers are to fight in court to defend the right of biologically male criminals who identify as women to serve sentences in female jails.
A KC representing the Scottish government told a judge at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Wednesday that self-ID policies in jails will remain a “live issue” in a new legal case, suggesting ministers are determined to keep them in place'

'Gerry Moynihan KC, representing the Scottish government, confirmed that controversial schools guidance, which allowed trans girls into female facilities and for biological boys to compete in female sports, had been “withdrawn”.

However, he confirmed that the Scottish government did not plan to back down on its prisons policy, which was rewritten after <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Dw1Wl/www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/nicola-sturgeon-trans-women-isla-bryson-77g8zzbll" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Isla Bryson scandal but still allows male-born criminals to serve sentences in women’s jails if they say they identify as female.'.

'For Women Scotland had wanted their bid to have the schools and prisons policies “reduced”, meaning quashed by the courts, to be conducted under an “ordinary” procedure, which it was hoped would be quicker, cheaper and more straightforward than a judicial review.
However, Moynihan successfully argued that the case should instead proceed under the more complex route, a move likely to lead to increased costs for taxpayers'
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'A timetable will be set in the coming weeks with a substantive hearing to decide matters expected to last two days.'

Note that women's rights to privacy and dignity, or to not be used as props in male lives, aren't even mentioned, they don't make the scale move at all, against the absolute cruciality of a man being able to express his precious inner self.

Only if it's proved that he might actually break a woman too much while using her is it a cause to hesitate a bit and then wangle away on just how much breakage is normal and natural for a man to want to cause, and to be put up with by women.

If transgenderism is this wholly incompatible with women's equality of humanity never mind equality of treatment and legal rights, and apparently also incompatible with the sanity of politicians, then it's going to have to go in law altogether. They are pushing it to this point now. If they won't permit any shared ground there will be nowhere else to go.

I like this paragraph from the guidance:

'This policy does not apply to people who are gender diverse (for example, people who are non-binary or gender fluid), who will be managed in accordance with their sex at birth. '

Which demonstrates they are perfectly willing and able to say 'no' to some people's gender identity demands.

But not those of men who demand access to women, for some reason.

Absolutely evil.

Yes. It is actually evil.

What about women who identify as men ? Do they insist on being in male prisons ?
Or is this all about men trampling on women’s rights .

Thanks for posting that guidance @ArabellaSaurus I didn't know of it.

The only thing that stops me from falling into utter despair in my later years is knowing that there are still gutsy women like FWS, FWR, and all the courageous women taking court cases, saying No.

I wonder who in the Scottish government is pushing for this. They don't even have the excuse that they need to keep their coalition partner happy, unless they are thinking about another coalition post election 2026.

God this is so depressing.

As far as I know, there are zero women in men's prisons in Scotland, or in fact the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/06/snp-fight-court-allow-trans-criminals-female-prisons/

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-spend-taxpayers-cash-36200533

I truly wonder - what is the rationale for this for the SG?

Who is sanctioning this case internally? Is it being run by the Government Legal Services (SG)? Do they seek independent legal advice?

Who do they think benefits from this legal argument - apart from trans identifying men?

Or are the SG essentially seeking a Declaration of Incompatibility with Human Rights to cover their arses from the TRAs?

This link to the telegraph should be free access

SNP to fight in court to allow trans criminals to be housed in women’s prisons
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/acf19d5fc41b10f4

At this point it's hard to find any sympathetic justification beyond utter determination to destroy women's equalities and rights in law.

It's soul destroying. Women repeatedly fight their way into court, over years, through all the harms. Their case is proven and won. And the establishment just says 'whatever' and carries on. Even when the bloody Supreme Court confirm the women's case the establishment just carry on.

Either they are mad, or think the destruction of women's rights and the subordination of women to men in law is a goal worth doing all this for.

It is doing nothing to 'promote good relations' between women and men with trans identities, I can tell them that for free.

Either they are mad, or think the destruction of women's rights and the subordination of women to men in law is a goal worth doing all this for.

Scotgov's usual impetus is to do something to allow them to blame Westminster and/or complain 'help! Help! I'm being oppressed!'.

However, this backfired with the GRR Bill, as it was so strongly rejected by the electorate that most people's response to the Section 35 was 'thank fuck', rather than 'how dare they'.

If they keep at it, they'll have us begging for devolution to be reversed by next year.

Realistically, there is nobody else to vote for in Scotland, so the Gov are assured of their lovely huge wages and pensions, in exchange for footering about endlessly with pointless laws nobody wants, running a shittonne of quangos, and doing a wee bit of showboating now and again.

I really resent having to pay for this shit twice, donating to FWS and then again through taxes

This, sadly. And it also impacts on UK politics, as what was a strong Labour voting bloc now tends to go SNP, which splits the vote. Although when you put that to an SNP voter complaining about a Conservative Government, they don't seem to grasp that their SNP vote contributed to that.

I do not understand the SG insistence on pushing for this, at all. It must be getting pushed from someone internally, but who knows from where. I know a few people who work/have worked in the SG, and from what I can gather they do very little for their money, and some are at least willing to admit it themselves!

So many things needing sorted out in Scotland right now, and they waste taxpayer money on this. Fucking shambles!

This article (admittedly, from 13* years ago) prompted me to question the idea that the Scottish vote would have had a significant impact on UK government:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

'for 65 of the last 67 years, Scottish MPs as an entity have had no practical influence over the composition of the UK government. From a high of 72 MPs in 1983, Scotland’s representation will by 2015 have decreased to 52, substantially reducing any future possibility of affecting a change'

There is a small impact. And if we end up with a massively split vote and a coalition next time round, it might matter more, I guess.

*Jesus, where has the time gone, etc

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1986369905109651612

Hmm. Theyve still not paid FWS. And for FWS to fight this would cost more money, again.

Can we collectively sue our own government?

Quite openly a bunch of crooks then.

What the hell do you do when your government is so comprehensively bent?

Compare with the treatment - and deaths - of pregnant and birthing women in UK prisons.

Quite. Women in this view are only support animals for men. It's not like they're actually human. What is the death of a pregnant woman in prison compared to the horror of a man in prison being denied access to non consenting women for his expression of his inner self?

Good question. What happens if your FM is arrested on suspicion of fraud and embezzlement?

Christ.