Advice please - TIM teacher just arrived at DD’s school

[KnottyAuty]

DD reports that the new teacher has asked to be referred to as she/her and Ms Smith. They are obviously male. DD isn’t happy about the power imbalance of potential behaviour points and detentions for non compliance.

I’ve got no idea how to advice DD how to handle this but obviously know from reading here that using this language is a safeguarding problem. Ms Smith should follow the same rules as all the other male teachers. If everyone must use this language, then it looks like the school is unable to tolerate GC beliefs.

Suggesting that DD respectfully avoids pronouns doesn’t seem workable as using the teacher’s name will include “Miss”….

Is there a gender neutral way of referring to a teacher like “Professor”?!

What do I advise DD so she can work within her GC beliefs? And what should I write to the school to say about this?

eta clarification

I think this- I think dd is on a hiding to nothing if she wants to make a point of not calling them ms, and that won’t get her any actual progress in the school respecting her beliefs.

This does not follow, because paraphilias have a hugely higher prevalence in males. It is a well researched difference between the sexes.

No. Pronouns are not just a social politeness. This is a safeguarding issue because it is telling children/young people and especially young women to disregard the signals their eyes are sending them. This is dangerous. A girls' school should not have employed this person for a whole shedload of safe-guarding reasons ranging from ROGD contagion to issues with recognising males and whether they are posing a threat.

Enforcing opposite sex pronouns is dangerous.
Poor OP's poor DD.

Can you not put this question to the school? Sex Matters probably have some talking points, book at appointment with the head or deputy or whichever senior bod seems most appropriate. The school hired this person, presumably they are aware or should be, of gender critical views and will have, or will have to formulate, an appropriate address for him.

This isn't true.

What is true is that identifying as trans won't mean you are less violent than you were. So if you transitioned as a violent person (of which men are more likely to be), then you will remain violent. Someone who has a history of violent and sexual crimes and deviancy won't stop committing such crimes once they identify as female and definitely not because they identify as female.

But then most people, including men, lack a history of such crimes anyway. So a person with no history of sexual violations or violent crimes isn't suddenly going to start up with this just because they transitioned. But no, transitioning doesn't cure violent and sexually predatory behaviour, either.

'Mr' would be correct.

Howsegoin:
"And in any case that aAGP explains all trans people has been long debunked as pseudoscience by major medical associations."

Strawman. Ray Blanchards classification never claimed to explain all trans people, and never classifies all trans-identified men as autogynephiles. Still, it works as a classification for adult trans-identified men, even if gender identity ideologues would like to bury it.

If you transition as a male, you remain male.

The difference here is that you are not required to pay lip-service to your colleague's cause to avoid being in trouble. By using incorrect pronouns, Knotty's daughter would be paying lip-service. She would also be ignoring the evidence of her own eyes, which I would argue is a very dangerous thing for a young girl to be encouraged to do.

Higher incidence but it doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that transitioning will give you some sort of deviant sexual urges that you did not possess beforehand.

Remember a lot of the trans "criminals" that were interviees for research.back in the day were only criminals because they crossdressed. That was the sole crime of many of the people and then they were interviewed as criminals for this act. They were classed as sex offenders for cross dressing.

Another specious argument.

Do school know you are gender critical? If so perhaps you could push it back to them to find a form of respectful address that doesn't ask children to lie.

What subject does the teacher teach? I think just not addressing one teacher directly is a definite option.

The trans teacher DS had was very laid back about this stuff, he wouldn't complain or correct or anything, his focus was on the teaching as it should be.

What I would be more concerned about is checking with school that this teacher will be treated the same as any other male teacher from a safeguarding perspective e.g. on residential trips.

Pronouns are not social convention. They never have been.

Please can you quote the hateful posts, i can't see any?

If that were the case, we shouldn't let anyone with a diagnosis of something like Bipolar or borderline personality disorder into society unsupervised and certainly not in positions of responsibility over vulnerable people. Are you ready to fire all the women with such diagnosises from their jobs as nurses and teachers because they might become abusive in some way?

I don't know, because of what I've already said in my previous posts.

I also think if this is allowed to fly in schools, it's kind of like an early way of indoctrination.

We know the harm that forced use of wrong sex pronouns can be used to cause. Rape victims being forced in court to refer to their rapist as "she", "her", use the words "her penis", and in some places be fined for refusing to do so.

If we teach children that they must comply with wrong sex pronouns at school age, it will become ingrained in them as "socially polite". We also know that the "respect" and "politeness" is a river that only flows due male, and it's particularly inappropriate in a school - a girls school!

Possible fear of reprisal and punishment with a side order of brainwashing for the next generation of young women. What could possibly go wrong?

Of course you can't. Your whole belief system is built around rejecting non conformism.

I'd say chopping your cock off is pretty full on. Some trans women do that. Some also have breast implants. Again, quite full on.

I have always assumed that you don't actually have to call any of the Royal family by their titles.

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People suggesting the use of Ms as a compromise between Miss and Mr, do you really think that someone becomes less female if they choose a title that doesn't give away their marital status? Or what? I'm flabbergasted, and hope I'm misunderstanding you.

Since replies have been deleted, I'll rephrase.

Set up a meeting with the school and explain that they'll need to place DD in an alternative class until the teacher leaves the clothes and pronouns at home.