Advice please - TIM teacher just arrived at DD’s school

[KnottyAuty]

DD reports that the new teacher has asked to be referred to as she/her and Ms Smith. They are obviously male. DD isn’t happy about the power imbalance of potential behaviour points and detentions for non compliance.

I’ve got no idea how to advice DD how to handle this but obviously know from reading here that using this language is a safeguarding problem. Ms Smith should follow the same rules as all the other male teachers. If everyone must use this language, then it looks like the school is unable to tolerate GC beliefs.

Suggesting that DD respectfully avoids pronouns doesn’t seem workable as using the teacher’s name will include “Miss”….

Is there a gender neutral way of referring to a teacher like “Professor”?!

What do I advise DD so she can work within her GC beliefs? And what should I write to the school to say about this?

eta clarification

Not great, because he has been taught by the people (trans and allies) in his new friendship circles that old people like me are bigots and that he has a right to have his trans identification enthusiastically affirmed by everyone, and those who struggle with that are transphobic. This is a pattern that is repeated over and over again; some trans people manage to get out of it when they realise that their families are actually important to them, that their families care deeply about them and have their best interests at heart, that disagreement is not synonymous with hatred, that gender critical does not mean right wing or "fascist".

I have some hope that he will remember his scepticism and apply it to gender ideology. If he does, I am confident that he will spot the incoherence and the lack of consistent definitions of the words used to erect the tottering pile of pseudoscience.

This. Why is a child lying seen as necessary for an adult?

Or ‘predatory men’. It’s data on both.

Do we know whether predatory men have abused trans status for their own purposes outside prison? Or does it only happen inside?

Aside from examples, what should logic lead us to expect? Does trans status afford them any privileged access for example? Are predatory men the sort to abuse that status, or would it not occur to them? Perhaps they behave badly in prison but are entirely trustworthy outside.

What would you expect on these issues?

Only around 5000 males have a GRC

It is disgraceful that the DBS allows trans identifying men to hide past names when seeking employment

If there is not statistics to support increased convictions, it is definitely being reported more often in the media.

The majority of people are not and have not ever been prisoners.

You seem to just be repeating this sentence from Chat GPT. Can you explain it better to make it clearer?

Plus, using the UK male prison population, can you show what the % of those male people who are in the transgender prison population transitioned after being placed in prison? Because it really seems that you are saying something that you read and have taken as being accurate for the UK prison population and that you have taken on as being somehow relevant.

Even Chat GPT stated that this male group do not commit sex offences at a rate the same as or lower than female people in the UK.

So, why are those figures only relevant to the male prisoners with transgender identities population and not to the broader male
population. Just as the male prisoner statistics are relevant to the general male UK population. Because it shows that the risk of them committing sex related crime is higher than the general female UK population.

I see.

It's not a lie though, it's respecting how the individual sees themselves, even if you don't agree. When you quote me you use my chosen nickname, you don't have to work out whether I am actually an amazing seamstress, in case me using the name "stichguru" is an insult to seamstresses! When you address the local Vicar as "Rev" you don't have to work out whether you believe Christianity first. You don't go round avoiding the shops run by Muslims because using their shop is agreeing with Islam. Or maybe you do...

You are not showing that you actually understand the point you keep repeating.

I wonder if PP googled and is getting confused about statistics. The proportion of men-who-identify-as-trans prisoners who are sex offenders (around 50-60%, MOJ statistics) does indeed apply only to the prison population. However, the census data applies to the whole population of men who identify as trans compared to the whole population of other men (in England and Wales). Not just the prison population.

You can't claim to be a doctor if you're not a doctor. It's considered very grieviously wrong to claim to be black if you're Rachel Dolezal. You can't claim to be a Reverend and get a reduction in Council Tax just because you feel an inner sense of being religious.

Agreed. Have you had a chance to read my post though?

You said that it ‘depends’ when I directly asked you a question about it.

I don’t believe that if you are making conditions such as ‘it depends’ that you can say you are fully supportive of female people having single sex spaces that exclude all male people. Please explain how you can be fully supportive if you believe it is conditional and that it ‘depends’? What does it depend on exactly?

I see myself as the grand high empress of the universe.

Should the children be compelled to call me that?

Yes. It makes no sense given that most people are not and have not been prisoners.

@KnottyAuty honestly feel for your DD. I wouldn't even try to indulge the crazy if my DD felt as yours does (she does,).
In your shoes I would join The Free Speech Union.
Contact Sex Matters and Transgender Trend for further advice.
Get ALL & EVERY communication on this matter with school, govenors, L.A in email only ; no deniable friendly(or not so) chats/phonecalls.
Contact Feminist Legal/JKR'S Legal Fund
Prepare to BE THAT WOMAN & go ALL the way.
Because, honestly, this gaslighting fuckery of women & girls needs a halt.
Wishing you & DD all the best💪💚🤍💜

I don't know any school that employs a chef?! Except the one on South Park. Kitchen manager maybe? And at no point should anyone be compelled to eat or not eat anything. So I really don't get your analogy.

But I agree with the second part of what you say in principle.

A whole host of different factors.

That is why we look at risk in the whole population as the census does.

When did the majority of them transition?

Yes and it is low. To have an increased risk, men have to both identify as trans and have transitioned after imprisonment for a violent crime.

Why does that matter? Isn’t it innate?

I agree with you on this too. There has been a stream of media reports of women convicted of crimes that women, traditionally, very rarely commit. A lot of violent crime and sexual crime in particular.

Did you join any dots? Do you think women have suddenly changed? Or is it that the media now describes a subset of men, for whom such behaviour is not as rare, as women?