Far right women

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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

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I’m wondering the same. Someone has to rebuild when the Reform experiment drags this country ever further along the path to hell.

@HildegardP@Another2Cats@BendoftheBeginning

in laywoman’s terms, what would that look like?

I’ve genuinely wondered about leaving the greens to join Labour in order to be heard

It would involve sex realists joining the Party in numbers & being active. Not each individual jumping straight in with both sex realist wellies though - that's a great way to get kicked right out.
Attend the godawful meetings, go to the soul-destroying fundraising events, volunteer to do tedious admin/ door-knocking/ litter picking & similar grunt work - that's how Gender Identiarians got so far - by showing up & doing stuff for the Party.
Pay attention to internal politics, be aware of who the troublemakers are & step carefully around them. Join groups within the Party & be active (first a few bland ones then more specific ones like Lesbian Labour or perhaps Labour Women's Declaration).
When approaching, er, gender-affected topics make sure you understand any parts of the Party rule book that might aid or hamper you, be sure to know the case law & statutes inside out, read all the briefings from WRN, FWS, Sex Matters, LGBA, Gay Men's Network & so on - I promise you any opponents would be running on vibes & Stonewall Law alone. Remember that whatever the issue, insurers always expect their policy holders to be fully legally compliant.
Labour's a solidly middleclass Party now so be prepared for passive aggression, indirect locution, drama llamas, & playground gang behaviour - you'd be familiar w all those from the Greens!
Join, be active, be useful, become trusted, vote for the least worst option in every internal ballot, achieve office in the Party. That's how entryism works & how Gender Identitarian entryists have so damaged every part of the Labour Movement. To judge by the dynamics of other Parties, the more of us who join, the more cranks might leave.
Now the Party has shrunk & the Greens & the Corbyn/ Sultana car crash are attracting yet more of the crank element, Labour could be ideally vulnerable, but it would require a lot of sex realists to hold their noses & play a fairly long game. Remember how Labour had to magic up so many new candidates at the last GE? Look at the Corbyn era dross still cluttering up the green benches, ask yourself how so many gormless 'Erberts are Councillors. Labour, like all the Parties, have a talent problem. Active, efficient, level-headed members who do their homework & steer clear of in-house spats could go far. 🤔
I'm still havering about rejoining but also slightly kicking myself, had I been a member I would at least have been able to vote for Phillipson as DPM.

Thanks Hildegard. Food for thought

@WarriorN Of course many people wouldn't feel comfortable joining Labour or any political Party but there's also the option of offering frequent support to all sex-realist MPs & Councillors not just our own, even if it's just an email or a card saying "thank you for standing up for women/ safeguarding/ LGB people/ the Equality Act" or whichever relevant aspect they've been working/ speaking on. For those of us stuck with representatives who are useless on those topics, when communicating w members of their Party it doesn't hurt to add comments like, "I wish [insert name] were better informed on this subject, I don't feel I can vote for them next time because of their current position".

Thanks, that's useful, Hildegard. Difficult to do, though, I think. I couldn't stomach being part of the Greens when they went so unhinged.

I've thought about the Libdems, but crikey, there are a lot of oddbods in there.

Oddballs are the backbone of theLDs &, not least because of their oddball structure, irrationality is their lifeblood.
Entryism is not an easy proposition but I used to know a very successful international sportsman who once told me that there were plenty of guys as good as him but the difference between his success & their complete anonymity was "I show up. On time & in clean socks."

Irrationality is part of the appeal, I'm not gonna lie! 😂

Agreed, and stating that right-wing women have no logic, as stated by a previous poster, defies logic in itself
It does, and it is rude and presumptuous.

It has all the symptoms of being far right.

1. It doesn't have a democratic structure but is a limited company so there is no way for members to vote on/influence policies. This authoritarian structure classic extreme right wing. Farage, the commodities trader, doesn't want to hear from members, he wants total control.

2.It is against rights for working people eg Labour's sick pay from day 1, abolition of forced Zero hours contracts ,

3.Against workers' rights ie Labour policies re security at work so they can't be sacked indiscriminately etc. or fired and rehired on lower wages.

Strangely the latest poles show most Reform voters support Labour on these.
Similarly they support the left policies of nationalisation of our Water, Railways, Gas, Electricity., building more social housing to replace the Conservatives sell off.

All above left wing policies which would enable more investment and lower prices for people as no dividends need to be taken out and given to share holders.

Our crucial problem for the future is a very low birth rate. Soon the post WW2 bulge generation will have passed on and we are left with too small a work force. ( South Korea is showing us clearly the disiaster to come. ) Far from moaning about people wanting to escape their oppressive regimes in war torn Africa, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan etc etc we should be welcomng them as our saviours. They are cheap (we haven't had to pay for their hospital births, their education etc etc.) and by definition they are ambitious and want to improve their lives. Great for them and will be great for our country too. After all great civilisations like Rome, the USA, GB etc have flourished attracting new comers.

We should be eliminating the loopholes that allow the richest 50 families to own more than the poorest half of the population in this country.

Is it fair that the Duke of Westminster, one of the richest people in the UK, has £9.886 billion,( on the death of his father), but has paid no Inheritance Tax at all whereas 'ordinary' people pay 40% tax on inheritances over £350K? Apparently the rich need incentives but the people of Britain only need subsistence living and threats of sacking and destitution.

Classic right wing. Fear and oppression of the desperate and poorest in the country then attacking organisations like Unions who fight their corner but handing more and more to the feckless authoritarian richest living on the hard labour of others.

@HildegardPI joined the greens in a similar way (or was shuffled in by green feminist friends!) but it does feel like a wall has been hit for me. I’d consider Labour simply to have my voice heard more on send and education, with sex realism up my sleeve for when it’s right.

Very interesting post @ElizaMulvil, especially reform voter views on specifically Labour policies. You’re right it is structured to be so

I can’t see its attraction lasting tbh. I also think it’s often the result of a single issue where they’ve won councillors and MPs, one that won’t last the distance

poverty is a real and serious driving factor in the country right now and this will ultimately drive votes longer term

the care system is going to have to have a lot of focus in the future. Rates of children with send are increasing for a number of very real reasons for example. In my LA, the birth rate has dropped but the numbers of children with send (and who really do need a send school) has increased. (And it was known about over 10 years ago and no preparations have been made to accommodate this.)

@ArabellaSaurus I'm as up for a spot of eccentricity as anyone but just one eg; the LDs at national level take a positive position on housebuilding. At local level they're reliable Nimbies & because of the Party's organisational structure, Davey & co can do nothing about that.

'Strangely the latest poles show most Reform voters support Labour on these.
Similarly they support the left policies of nationalisation of our Water, Railways, Gas, Electricity., building more social housing to replace the Conservatives sell off.'

But I don't find that suprising at all. My understanding isn't that people favour Reform's policies; they are absolutely raging at governments that have successively ignored, patronised, lied, and fucked them over.

It's an expression of rage and fury, an anti-vote, as much as anything.

I mean, let's take housebuilding. How are Labour's promised million new houses coming on?

It turned out there was a typo in the manifesto and Labour were only promising to build five houses in a million years.

Our crucial problem for the future is a very low birth rate. Soon the post WW2 bulge generation will have passed on and we are left with too small a work force. ( South Korea is showing us clearly the disiaster to come. ) Far from moaning about people wanting to escape their oppressive regimes in war torn Africa, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan etc etc we should be welcomng them as our saviours. They are cheap (we haven't had to pay for their hospital births, their education etc etc.) and by definition they are ambitious and want to improve their lives.

Immigration to offset low birth weight is just like a huge Ponzi scheme. Also we need skilled labour not people without basic education. But their cheapness in unskilled positions drives down wages.

I don’t think the lack of democratic structure for Reform will be the issue if they come to government - if their MPs disagree with the party position they are likely to leave the party. We have already seen that with the MPs they have. That would be a problem for Reform though.

And the fastest growing got swapped, it meant Channel crossings, the economy in turn to be smashed.

OK. So men can be Extreme Left, Left, Soft Left, Moderate, Centerist, Right of Centre, Soft Right, Right and Extreme Right but heaven forfend that any woman has a political opinion that isn't overtly left leaning.

Soft Centres are barred, I believe. See the Fer Reight Rochers.

I'll tell you what makes me think that multiculturalism should be scrapped: the idea that anyone in this country gets special treatment in law because of what colour or religion they are.

Multiculturalism will not be accepted as long as people think that Pakistanis, or anyone else, are getting a slap on the wrist for child sexual abuse.

Jesus wept... Those poor girls.

These men see women as property. To them, "revenge" raping a rapist's sister is exactly like keying a neighbour's car because the neighbour slashed your tyres.

We should offer Pakistani women and girls asylum and deport all the men.

"Marry your rapist" is day ending Y stuff for lots of places in the world.

If you'd read the whole thread up to that post, you'd have seen reports of "revenge rapes" carried out against perps' sisters in Pakistan. These are "community punishments" set by "elders". What makes you think that these misogynists leave those ideas behind when they board the flight to Heathrow?

If these men come here and act like that and get the book thrown at them in our criminal courts, that's bad but bearable. If they come here and do that and it's covered up, that's utterly unacceptable, outrageous, and I'm saying "fuck no" to it. And if I'm saying "fuck no" with my STEM degree and trade union membership, so are a lot of people to the right of me.

You had full stops? Jammy bastards. I was lucky to have spaces.