Livestream debate with Mia Hughes and Morgane Oger

[unwashedanddazed]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WewreIEBhe4

Only heard a few minutes so far. My he has a deep voice!

Yep. I really hope that post isn’t deleted.

There's this thing called 'biological variation' where all sorts of morphological are possible. The idea 'you can always tell' is biologically s illiterate.

Oh, the irony of this sentence 😂

Ahh, so you’re not in the uk. Well fortunately I am, and the tide on GI has well and truly turned. We no longer have to pretend men can become women and put up with their nonsense claims.
(I don't work every day - I’m a semi retired teacher who luckily doesn’t have to teach children that they can change sex but that some people incorrectly believe they can)

Older women don't look like men.

We look like older women.

This just reveals the nasty little truth that's so obviously underlying trans identifying men. Women means someone I want to fuck. Therefore old women aren't women.

It's sick. But we can see it. And most people don't think like this and see it's sick. Because most people have mothers, sisters, aunts, wives, daughters that they see as real people and not sexual costumes.

Thank you. Male behaviour is always so blatantly obvious isn’t it?

I don’t believe for one second he actually believes he is a woman.

Err, if anyone is responsible for maintaining gendered stereotypes it's the overwhelming population of CIS people. Trans women just follow them.

It always gets back to this tho doesn't it. Resentful non gender conforming types who don't want to accept the reality that the overwhelming majority of people embrace typical gender expression. They want to pretend its all about patriarchal expectations when its ironically really is just about sex (but not the one they think) & people embracing their masculinity & femininity to get it.

It’s not a human right for a man to be allowed access to female single sex spaces for his own sexual gratification mate.

She also isn’t defensive about female stereotypes. So everything about that post is utter tripe. As usual.

You claim to support trans identified men, then use their appearance as an insult?

Yes, the poster really didn't think that one through at all!

Some women, as they age, look like men? Is the poster saying transwomen look like men?
Some women, as they age, look like trans-identifying males? But I thought we couldn't tell that transwomen are male?
Some women, as they age, conform less and less to female stereotypes? And supposedly get "defensive" about that? So it really IS all about stereotyped female appearance then, after all?

Pray tell, what are these ‘similar experiences’? Also, ‘cis’ is a slur. Don’t use it.

The term cis is misogyny writ large.

I don't think we count Greysky.

Facts aren't insulting. And there's nothing wrong with women looking less feminine as they age particularly post menopause.

That you read this as insulting is insulting.

When she died at 101 year’s old, my grandmother was still obviously female. Why are you claiming that older women look like men? What total nonsense and misogyny you’re displaying there.

In my world, CIS written in capitals means Commonwealth of Independent States. I snigger every time the poster writes it like that.

#boringfact

post menopausal women as female and therefore look feminine. You mean they look less shagable.

If I have ever incorrectly judged someone's sex in a social situation, I don't really care. Because I can't do anything about this unlikely rare event).

I care when I can tell and I'm being asked to lie. (Which is most of the cases of TIM)

Or when I know from other information they've provided and I'm being asked to pretend I don't know.

You seem to argue from the position of the vanishingly rare case where a man socially appears to be a women to the extent that social conventions apply in the same way they do to all the actual women we encounter.

What should we do when we can see it's a man in a dress ? Which social conventions should we use?
I'm sticking with the ones for men.

Because I don't have an social conventions for people in dressses.

He has the kind of smirk on his face that’s saying ‘I’ve got the law on my side telling everyone I’m a woman so you can all just piss off’ which I see on the face of a child when they tell their mum that their older sibling has hurt them and their mum tells the older sibling off, even though in reality the older sibling did nothing wrong.

The use of 'cis' is a good reminder that the term 'cis' is meaningless because the term includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes that has any degree of sensitivity to any of the testosterone that body produces.

There is no word left for female people.

Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’ . When ^^ female means only a person of the sex category where that person's body has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether the body does, has or ever will produce those large gametes. ie that requires the presence of ovaries or ovarian tissue - never testes.

In fact, we now have examples of many male people declaring that they are female people. So even the word for female has become meaningless in that sense.

But 'cis' is a* *word that was repurposed from its original usage and is meaningless for the purpose of discussing female people in its current usage. It has been used in academic papers as well in an attempt at using inclusive language which then renders the papers meaningless because the term is not describing a unique grouping of human bodies, even when it claims to be doing just that.

To see how this works, we have been told that 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:
Cis
= (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **
and
= (3) Any person who has a female body^^
Trans
= (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Therefore there is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is meaningless as a unique description for female people and it always was. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

Edited to add that this post is in reference to :

"You can try to change the meaning of the word sex, you can even be successful legally but the 2 reproductive body types remain and they need words to describe them and most people in the world still and will always use the word sex to describe this reality."

They do it's called 'CIS'.

Because, somewhere there is a disconnect about what 'cis' means.

Define ‘looking feminine’

Legal fictions in Canada or anywhere else are just that - fictions. The law can say Ogre is a woman because he has said some magic words but he is a man and everyone, including himself, knows he is a man.

As always with our resident pigeon chess player, we get insights into the TRA movement that were unintentional.

I would like to know this too. Because in the past this poster told us they were 'super-feminine'.

I'm still laughing at "gametal evaluations" from Page 1.

When Oger said 'in 2025 this month reported uh said that trans Canadians report higher life satisfaction and lower suicidal ideation when affirmed.' has anyone seen this report?

And I really wish that suicidal ideation was not used to justify medicalisation of children. Even Strangio admitted that there was no evidence of medical treatment improving suicide rates under oath in court.

“Strangio said: “What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in some—in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them.”
“
However, there are multiple studies, long-term longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction in—in suicidality . . .” “

https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth

What Strangio said has been clarified over the past years in multiple countries not just the USA. Concerningly, suicide numbers are not shown to decrease with the current gender affirming care recommendations. Hence why there is so much discussion about those treatment recommendations.

It looks like Oger is again spreading misinformation about suicide.