Helen Joyce - why gender medicine isn’t science…

[Justme56]

https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/p/why-gender-medicine-isnt-science

“Actually that’s not quite right, because there isn’t any requirement to perform your gender, just to state it. Nothing further than the statement is required of the person making it: it’s other people who have to do the work by believing that statement — that is, by “affirming” that gender. The expression “gender self-identification” is a misnomer — it’s not something you have to do, beyond proclamation, it’s a demand that other people affirm you as being the gender you state yourself to be. Opening the door marked F or M is a way of declaring your gender identity.

There’s no place for other people’s judgment, indeed no role at all for other people except as supporting actors or appreciative audience. No room for them to say they don’t fancy joining in the performance, or to be a critic and say it’s not a very good performance. They’re not allowed to say: “OK, you say you’re a woman, that you’re living as a woman or have a female gender identity, but you don’t seem very female to me.”

Yup & have you read WPATH SOC 8?

Do you even know what that is?

Ah, got it.

It's just that you've referred so confidently to Cass' findings and the report in many previous posts. But it turns out you haven't actually read the whole report.

I thought you were playing on a level field with posters here, i.e. those that have read the report.

Under which research conditions are puberty blockers being studied in the UK? Can you link to the confirmed trial approval please?

You are quite wrong about mental health care having standards as low as gender-woo. I worked in Forensic Psychiatry over 20 years ago, assisting a consultant who was conducting a review of public health inquiries. This was decades ahead of the Cass Review forcing the Tavistock to acknowledge its cowboy attitude to evidence-based medicine and basic record-keeping.

Are you disputing the CASS recommendations to continue puberty blockers under research conditions?

😄No, I'm disputing that you know what you're talking about.

Crap deflection BTW

What has this got to do with the current fad for sterilising gender nonconforming children (because they might grow up to be gay, as Susie Green and her husband feared)?

The review concluded that the evidence base and rationale for early puberty suppression was unclear, which led to a UK ban on prescribing puberty blockers to those under 18 experiencing gender dysphoria (with the exception of existing patients or those in a clinical trial).[21] The Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust was closed in March 2024 and replaced in April with two new services, which are intended to be the first of eight regional centres.[22] In August, the pathway by which patients are referred to gender clinics was revised and a review of adult services commissioned.[23] In September, the Scottish government accepted the findings of a multidisciplinary team that NHS Scotland had set up to consider how the Cass Review's recommendations could best apply there.[24] In England a delayed clinical trial into puberty blockers is planned for 2025.[25][26]

Why would I need to when summaries suffice?
😂😂😂😂

Suffice for what exactly @Howseitgoin ?

Reading AI summaries instead of reading a whole report is why you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

The context was whether puberty blockers cause sterilisation. Try & keep up.

Still waiting for your 'evidence' that you are clearly diverting from…

Short answer: yes

Look, the grift is coming to an end. I really recommend you put your energy into other things. The emperor is naked and has always been naked. People just aren't swallowing the bs any more. I know it's very upsetting for people who have invested so much into trying to keep this house of cards standing but at this point it's like ditching stocks right before the bubble bursts. Don't walk, run. Go and be whoever you want to be. People will accept you or they won't, it was ever thus. They just won't be as silent about it either way.

Translation:

Stop bursting my comfy bubble!….

Lots of threads on WPATH here.

The eunuch chapter was discussed extensively here IIRC.

It was. The paedophile associations, The Eunuch chapter etc.
And society is expected to allow these men to weigh in their wish to on sterilise children and perform brutal experimental surgery on the mentally unwell young?

No. No longer. It's all been exposed and no amount of whining / posting untruths will silence people.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4928569-4928569-wpath-and-the-nhs-update

The irony of you saying that to me 😂

Anyone who wants to know more about WPATH could start with this report.

The WPATH Files

Thanks for the suggestion @Howseitgoin.

Lots of threads about WPATH on FWR.

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"here"

Well excuse moi. I hadn't realised the world renowned medical experts at MN had weighed in with their extensive facebook 'credentials' …🤡

Apparently it's different wherever in the world you live but here in the UK eighteen is the age of majority so anyone under eighteen is by definition a child.

Now now don't be bursting their comfy bubble... it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

It’s precisely because of the very limited time for which this medication is prescribed that fertility is generally preserved, and doctors are mindful and careful of the potential harmful effects. Their use for precocious puberty is very different in intent, duration and effect from PBs prescribed for what is diagnosed as gender dysphoria.

Really, you do yourself no favours - but you do us many.

It is - and I've only limited time for sport today 😂

As Helen pointed out in that excellent speech - "WPATH and its regional variants such as EPATH have been led by people who aren’t medics at all — they’re just people who identify as trans — and anyone can join, all you have to do is pay a fee.

That's what a con all this is.

Where's your evidence of tens of thousands of children globally committing suicide because of gender dysphoria in the decades before puberty blockers were used for anything other than precocious puberty?

Lol…

https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/wpath-nothingburger-waste-of-time

No, the context was whether puberty blockers used for so-called "gender affirming care" cause sterilisation.

Here's your post from earlier:
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Howseitgoin · Today 10:40

Nope. It's still available under research conditions.

"Why has gender affirming care been exempt from the usual standards of data-based medicine and best clinical practice applied to other areas? That is the question that needs answering."

Not true many treatments including ADHD & mental health care are of the same standards.
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My reply to your post was:
Do these treatments also include sterilisation of children and removal of functioning sex organs?

We were discussing use of puberty blockers in so-called "gender affirming care". This is nothing to do with use of puberty blockers for precocious puberty.

Your use of the present tense ("still available under research conditions." on page 4 of this thread) implies puberty blockers are currently being prescribed in the UK. They are not, as the trial suggested by Cass has yet to pass ethics approval (how can it?). "Gender affirming care" is drastically different in the UK in 2025, post-Cass. Puberty blockers were immediately banned on the NHS and the Government used emergency legislation to ban private prescriptions. That's how serious this medical scandal is.