Helen Joyce - why gender medicine isn’t science…

[Justme56]

https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/p/why-gender-medicine-isnt-science

“Actually that’s not quite right, because there isn’t any requirement to perform your gender, just to state it. Nothing further than the statement is required of the person making it: it’s other people who have to do the work by believing that statement — that is, by “affirming” that gender. The expression “gender self-identification” is a misnomer — it’s not something you have to do, beyond proclamation, it’s a demand that other people affirm you as being the gender you state yourself to be. Opening the door marked F or M is a way of declaring your gender identity.

There’s no place for other people’s judgment, indeed no role at all for other people except as supporting actors or appreciative audience. No room for them to say they don’t fancy joining in the performance, or to be a critic and say it’s not a very good performance. They’re not allowed to say: “OK, you say you’re a woman, that you’re living as a woman or have a female gender identity, but you don’t seem very female to me.”

And what happens next?

Your links don't work.

Take a wild guess…

An inability to answer the question

Why don't you tell us? Or don't you know?

Puberty blockers aren't prescribed indefinitely.

OK, so what happens when a child stops taking them?

Err, puberty resumes?

<<sigh>> It's like dealing with children who have no ability to Google

<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20250310143933/cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20250310143933/cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

Ah, so do you believe that 100% of children who are prescribed puberty blockers for gender dysphoria desist in their trans identity and then go through puberty naturally?

Your link does return an error page though @slug

Edited to add: But I agree it's not hard for people to google Cass report if they really want to look at it!

Mumsnet doesn't like these sorts of links, but a swift Google would work

try adding the usual in front of cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

The link doesn't refer to gender dysphoric children being ten times more likely to have parental abusers nor does "The book, which is based on more than 100 hours of interviews with clinicians and patients, paints a picture of a clinic that became overwhelmed by demand and came under the increasing influence of transgender charities." qualify as evidence. It' all heresay.

I'm not going on a wild goose chase reading the whole report. Quote the paragraph & where.

I'll answer my own post, as Howse has probably realised by now that he's dug himself a hole he can't get out of.

All but one of the children enrolled on the GIDS puberty blocker trial went straight from puberty blockers to cross sex hormones. So only one came off the puberty blockers and normal puberty resumed. The rest were sterilised by the treatment, since they never completed a natural puberty.

So much disinformation / outright lies about puberty blockers on this thread. Even the trans captured NHS have been forced to admit that puberty blockers for children pose an unacceptable safety risk:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-puberty-blockers-to-be-made-indefinite-on-experts-advice

'The Commission on Human Medicines (CHM) has provided independent expert advice that there is currently an unacceptable safety risk in the continued prescription of puberty blockers to children. It recommends indefinite restrictions while work is done to ensure the safety of children and young people".

There's also great concern about the unsafe prescribing environment with children accessing them from the charlatans posing as medics online in other copuntries:

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2024/12/11/puberty-blockers-what-you-need-to-know/

No. But they aren't legally 'children' by the time they go on hormones. Legal competence is 16.

This is the paragraph I quoted:

In 2000, the only clinical audit of patients ever carried out by Gids found that more than 25 per cent of referrals had spent time in care, compared with 0.67 per cent of the general population. Children referred to Gids were ten times more likely than the national average to have a registered sex offender as a parent, while 42 per cent had lost a parent through death or separation, and 70 per cent had more than five “associated features” such as anxiety, depression, abuse, self-harm, bullying, eating disorders or suicide attempts.

I've bolded the relevant bits this time to help you.

A clinical audit carried out by GIDS is not hearsay.

HTH.

Here’s a bit of Helen’s article pertinent to some posts on this thread:

It’s a bait and switch. They replace the physical reality of biological sex with something called gender or gender identity, which they don’t define. People who aren’t au fait with what’s going on think this is something defined. Generally they think it’s something very sexist, like “women are the kinds of people who do feminine things.” But at least that’s a little bit objective. Instead it’s just a man saying “I’m a woman.” There’s no there there.

Puberty blockers pause puberty temporarily and it can resume ‘as normal’ if they’re stopped? Pull the other one is the old fashioned expression.
Even their use for precocious puberty - a medical condition that can have significant detrimental effects - is limited and only carried out for a minimum of time. The idea that puberty can be stopped and fertility not affected is nonsensical. Puberty prepares the body for full reproductive functionality.

So you haven't actually read the whole report?

"Children referred to Gids "

You know that doesn't necessarily qualify them for treatment right? Oh wait…

Why would I need to when summaries suffice? In any case, that's irrelevant to the claim of parental abusers of gender dysphoric kids that is yet to be proven by anyone here.

Of course not 😂

Yeah? Where's your evidence of tens of thousands of children globally that have been treated for decades with puberty blockers for precocious puberty being infertile?

😂
As Helen so accurately points out:
"there are no good studies showing positive outcomes for any of the interventions, and there is no evidence that puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones “save lives”. But there’s something prior to that, which is that there is no reason to think the sorts of things done in gender clinics even might work. The whole thing is based on an invention, just as humours were".

Which is why these derails always end up with outright untruths, fake facts and a level of flat earthism that pays tribute to the delusionary aspects of this ideology.