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Demonstration against Let Women Speak Oxford

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IwantToRetire · 19/10/2025 03:04

A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) took place today at Bonn Square. Around 100 counterprotestors also assembled, including members from the Oxford Green Party, Stand Up to Racism, and Oxford for Trans Rights (O4TR).
https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

Event was https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-oxford-2

Counterprotesters turn out for trans-exclusionary feminism event - Cherwell

A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) is taking place at Bonn Square.

https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

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cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:05

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 19/10/2025 15:58

What was Dr Sheikh Ramzy doing at an LWS event?

Why had he taken along a copy of the Koran? Is this something that people commonly carry in the street?

I'd assume he was there in order to show that he as a Muslim supports LGBTQI+ rights, and specifically the rights of the LGBTQI+ community in Oxford.

And to show that these views aren't necessarily incompatible with belief in the Koran as a holy book.

Tbh I dislike evangelism full stop, but when I walk past preachers on Cornmarket in Oxford shouting about how I'm going to burn in the fires of hell, it's refreshing to see Dr Ramzy there as well with his free copies of the Koran (Qu'ran I should probably say) and his umbrella blazoned with the slogan 'God Is Gorgeous'. 😂

He's a familiar figure around Oxford. My DC studied RE at school and we have one of his free copies of the Qu'ran still lying around our house.

spannasaurus · 19/10/2025 16:06

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 19/10/2025 16:03

I thought that he was bankrupt but for being bailed out by party supporters?

I think they were bailing him out to avoid bankruptcy as that would have made him ineligible for his position and triggered a bye election

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/10/2025 16:07

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 15:59

This post also makes me think about citizenship. Most of the Muslims I know in Oxford are British citizens. It's pretty repugnant to me to think that there are tiers of belonging within citizenship, and that people whose families have acquired citizenship more recently are somehow less British than families who have had it for generations.

It's in that direction that racism rears its ugly head.

So I fundamentally disagree and apply my reservations to myself as much as others. New citizens are very welcome- my DiL to be will eventually be one. She’ll never be English in the way my son is, just as he will never be Chinese.

spannasaurus · 19/10/2025 16:07

All the LWS events are available to view on KJKs YouTube channel so people can watch them and make their own mind up

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:10

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/10/2025 15:57

My question is what were they even doing there, it's been reported that they were a counter protest, but you only be a counter protester if you have a protest to counter. Let Women Speak weren't there to protest anything they were there just exercising their to right free speech, so the others could only have been there to protest the right of women to speak. How does that not make them the 'bad guys?

Sorry but that's super disingenuous. Of course 'Let Women Speak' has a specific agenda to promote beyond just letting women speak. Just as most of the feminist threads on MN have a specific agenda to promote. It's an anti-trans, anti-queer, anti-non-binary agenda. It's an agenda that involves promoting the voices of certain women at the expense of others.

Easytoconfuse · 19/10/2025 16:11

Christinapple · 19/10/2025 15:56

Agree. When KJK went to Australia Neo-Nazis turned up in support of her.

Not a good look at all.

By that logic, every speaker is personally responsible for anyone who gets arrested at any demonstration.

I can't wait to see that being tested in court.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/10/2025 16:12

I'd assume he was there in order to show that he as a Muslim supports LGBTQI+ rights, and specifically the rights of the LGBTQI+ community in Oxford.

That's just flat out hysterical, there is no muslim country that supports same sex attraction and he wouldn't last 5 minutes in anyone of them if he showed support for them.

Easytoconfuse · 19/10/2025 16:13

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:10

Sorry but that's super disingenuous. Of course 'Let Women Speak' has a specific agenda to promote beyond just letting women speak. Just as most of the feminist threads on MN have a specific agenda to promote. It's an anti-trans, anti-queer, anti-non-binary agenda. It's an agenda that involves promoting the voices of certain women at the expense of others.

Thank you for making your views so clear. You do realise how many people you've just insulted, don't you? Or maybe that's the whole point of your posting on this issue?

MurkyWeather2 · 19/10/2025 16:14

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:05

I'd assume he was there in order to show that he as a Muslim supports LGBTQI+ rights, and specifically the rights of the LGBTQI+ community in Oxford.

And to show that these views aren't necessarily incompatible with belief in the Koran as a holy book.

Tbh I dislike evangelism full stop, but when I walk past preachers on Cornmarket in Oxford shouting about how I'm going to burn in the fires of hell, it's refreshing to see Dr Ramzy there as well with his free copies of the Koran (Qu'ran I should probably say) and his umbrella blazoned with the slogan 'God Is Gorgeous'. 😂

He's a familiar figure around Oxford. My DC studied RE at school and we have one of his free copies of the Qu'ran still lying around our house.

@cowleycyclist I'd assume he was there in order to show that he as a Muslim supports LGBTQI+ rights, and specifically the rights of the LGBTQI+ community in Oxford.

If so, then he made a choice to support TQI+ 'rights' over women's rights to want to protect their spaces and speak about issues that affect them.

SionnachRuadh · 19/10/2025 16:15

Christinapple · 19/10/2025 15:56

Agree. When KJK went to Australia Neo-Nazis turned up in support of her.

Not a good look at all.

Hi Chris. How do you feel about the counter-protest being organised by the rape enablers of the SWP? Do you think that's a good look for your side?

spannasaurus · 19/10/2025 16:16

Any woman can speak at an LWS event. They can just turn up and speak. There's no pre vetting

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:17

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/10/2025 16:07

So I fundamentally disagree and apply my reservations to myself as much as others. New citizens are very welcome- my DiL to be will eventually be one. She’ll never be English in the way my son is, just as he will never be Chinese.

OK, that's brilliant that you're happy to welcome new citizens.

But when you say about your region after 25 years, 'It isn’t ours. We aren’t locals', I emphatically disagree. How many decades of your life do you have to spend in a place before you consider it yours?

To me, if you are settled in a place, living and working there, bringing up your children there, walking down its streets and loving and hurting and struggling there, in short just making a life there: it absolutely is yours.

You may choose not to see it as yours but it wrong of you to impose that view on everyone else who has not lived there for generations. At what point are you going to draw the line? Before or after the Norman Conquest?

Sorry but to me these distinctions are absurd.

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/10/2025 16:12

I'd assume he was there in order to show that he as a Muslim supports LGBTQI+ rights, and specifically the rights of the LGBTQI+ community in Oxford.

That's just flat out hysterical, there is no muslim country that supports same sex attraction and he wouldn't last 5 minutes in anyone of them if he showed support for them.

You do know that gay Muslims exist, right? Or is this news to you?

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 19/10/2025 16:23

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:05

I'd assume he was there in order to show that he as a Muslim supports LGBTQI+ rights, and specifically the rights of the LGBTQI+ community in Oxford.

And to show that these views aren't necessarily incompatible with belief in the Koran as a holy book.

Tbh I dislike evangelism full stop, but when I walk past preachers on Cornmarket in Oxford shouting about how I'm going to burn in the fires of hell, it's refreshing to see Dr Ramzy there as well with his free copies of the Koran (Qu'ran I should probably say) and his umbrella blazoned with the slogan 'God Is Gorgeous'. 😂

He's a familiar figure around Oxford. My DC studied RE at school and we have one of his free copies of the Qu'ran still lying around our house.

My DC studied RE at school and we have one of his free copies of the Qu'ran still lying around our house.

Careful, there are some countries where statements like this would be classified as desecration.

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:24

Easytoconfuse · 19/10/2025 16:13

Thank you for making your views so clear. You do realise how many people you've just insulted, don't you? Or maybe that's the whole point of your posting on this issue?

Having a different point of view to you is insulting you?

MouldyPeppers · 19/10/2025 16:24

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:19

You do know that gay Muslims exist, right? Or is this news to you?

Like the ones forced to ‘transition’ in Iran?

MurkyWeather2 · 19/10/2025 16:24

@cowleycyclist To me, if you are settled in a place, living and working there, bringing up your children there, walking down its streets and loving and hurting and struggling there, in short just making a life there: it absolutely is yours.
You may choose not to see it as yours but it wrong of you to impose that view on everyone else who has not lived there for generations.

That is fine, but just be absolutely certain in your head that you would apply it equally to any group of people living in any part of any country anywhere in the world

JustSawJohnny · 19/10/2025 16:25

deadpan · 19/10/2025 03:49

It seems kjk's attendance at Yaxley Lennon's event has sparked support for her LWS by right wing "keep Britain white" types.
Each to their own I guess, she seems to court this kind of attention. But it doesn't help the rest of us when we're trying to lay facts bare to calmly explain our point of view.

This is why I'll never support her or any event linked to her ever again.

I'm sure others feel the same.

MouldyPeppers · 19/10/2025 16:26

Just as most of the feminist threads on MN have a specific agenda to promote. It's an anti-trans, anti-queer, anti-non-binary agenda.

It is amazing how many things women’s rights are ‘anti’

SinnerBoy · 19/10/2025 16:27

deadpan · 19/10/2025 03:49

It seems kjk's attendance at Yaxley Lennon's event has sparked support for her LWS by right wing "keep Britain white" types.
Each to their own I guess, she seems to court this kind of attention. But it doesn't help the rest of us when we're trying to lay facts bare to calmly explain our point of view.

She didn't turn up to support a Little Timmy Robertson event. With constant false claims like that, so easily debunked, it's as if you're not even trying.

And no, his lot can get stuffed.

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:28

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 19/10/2025 16:23

My DC studied RE at school and we have one of his free copies of the Qu'ran still lying around our house.

Careful, there are some countries where statements like this would be classified as desecration.

Gosh, the anti-Muslim sentiment just goes on, doesn't it. FYI there is a spectrum of Islamic belief. My Muslim friends who live next door have virtually nothing in common with the Taliban, just as my local C of E vicar has virtually nothing in common with evangelical Christian fundamentalists.

Wishing everyone a peaceful evening, I have to be off now.

MurkyWeather2 · 19/10/2025 16:28

MouldyPeppers · 19/10/2025 16:26

Just as most of the feminist threads on MN have a specific agenda to promote. It's an anti-trans, anti-queer, anti-non-binary agenda.

It is amazing how many things women’s rights are ‘anti’

I don't know how we can be accused of being anti- concepts that no-one can even explain.

SinnerBoy · 19/10/2025 16:29

Howseitgoin · 19/10/2025 08:41

Because Western countries aren't famous for domestic/ sexual violence & female mental health epidemics - not!…

People in glass houses…

Yeah, I mean Denmark is scarcely different to Afghanistan, is it?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/10/2025 16:30

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:19

You do know that gay Muslims exist, right? Or is this news to you?

And you know they kill you for being a same sex attracted person in a Muslim country, for example in Iran

Iran | Human Dignity Trust

deadpan · 19/10/2025 16:35

BundleBoogie · 19/10/2025 12:34

sparked support for her LWS by right wing "keep Britain white" types.

Have you got any evidence for this sweeping generalisation about a group of men you don’t know? Or are you just trying to smear KJK and women’s rights supporters?

Not sure what confuses you. She attended, very publicly, Yaxley Lennons march in London with a union jack around her shoulders. Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.
Why that makes you think I don't support women's rights is beyond me. I'm very much GC, I don't like or dislike Kjk.

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