Demonstration against Let Women Speak Oxford

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A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) took place today at Bonn Square. Around 100 counterprotestors also assembled, including members from the Oxford Green Party, Stand Up to Racism, and Oxford for Trans Rights (O4TR).
https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

Event was https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-oxford-2

No such thing as race anyway.

Again. Muslim is not a race.

At no point has she made any kind of racist comment.

She is primarily criticising him for being part of the protest against her and then about him literally waving the Koran in her face which you have to admit is very rarely used for the advancement of women’s rights. If ever.

KJK: you are emphatically not welcome here.

@cowleycyclist, as much as you say KJK doesn't speak for you, you don't speak for everybody in Oxford either.

Unfortunately spanna there IS a strong racist element to Islamophobia. Saying to someone, "Well, you're preaching from the Koran, so we know you're against women. Asshole," is racism. It's hardly a considered critique of the Islamic religion, is it?

Can you explain a bit more clearly why it is racism, any more than "Well, you're preaching from the Bible, so we know you're against women. Asshole," would be?

Do you believe only racists oppose some Islamic practices particularly the subjugation of women

KJK is a purveyor of hate speech, end of story. I'm a woman and a feminist and she doesn't speak for me.

I'm a women I can speak for myself.
I'm not a feminist, because the word has been corrupted to the point of uselessness.
I agree with KJK on many things, I don't have to agree with her on everything, if I did that would make me a brainwashed drone.
The points she makes about Islam are valid, calling it 'racist' isn't.

That's very true; some people in Oxford do support hate speech.

But they're in a minority. Oxford is multicultural and the vast majority of us love it for that reason.

So if people want to pop into the jam-packed city centre on a weekend and listen to an angry woman shout 'asshole' at a well-known local religious leader, who has consistently acted in our city as a dignified voice for moderation and mutual understanding between people of all faiths and none, well then, they should go for it.

But personally I can think of many more productive ways to spend a Saturday. Maybe helping the women in Oxford who really need help. Women who are refugees and asylum seekers, women with substance abuse issues, women seeking shelter from violence, women who can't afford the high cost of food and housing here.

As a woman I feel a helluva lot safer around Max Morris and Sheikh Ramzy than I do around Kellie-Jay Keen.

To quote a statement that Oxford University issued this week, Oxford is unequivocal: there is no place for antisemitism, harassment, or discrimination within our community. That includes anti-Muslim harassment.

Oxford is my city. I am not religious, but Oxford belongs to my Muslim neighbours, my Muslim doctors, my children's Muslim teachers as much as it belongs to any of us who live here. KJK: you are emphatically not welcome here. I'd rather sit down for a cuppa with Sheikh Ramzy over you any day.

I don’t think anyone is saying that Muslims shouldn’t live in East Oxford?

East Oxford is 11% Muslim. I lived there when I was younger and there were many fervently idealistic young people that sounded like you around. I quite liked the smell of evening curries wafting from houses as I walked from the bus stop.

It should be noted that Oxford, particularly East Oxford, is the location of a notorious Pakistani Muslim grooming gang operating out of Cowley Road. There are allegations that due to unaddressed serious failings within police forces that some activity like this continues. I hope your councillor guy is helping to keep an eye and not trying to silence those women as well?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518?app-referrer=deep-link

Oxford is unequivocal: there is no place for antisemitism, harassment, or discrimination within our community.

Except for harassing women who want to speak

I agree.
'Racist' just means 'no debate' now. The word is as corrupted as the word 'feminist'.

Standard disclaimer: I do not agree with everything KJK says or does, nor do I have a high opinion of everyone she meets.

Now that's out of the way, let me point out once again that "Stand Up To Racism" is the Socialist Workers Party in a funny hat. The crowd even have those branded "Women Against The Far Right" placards that are produced en masse by the SWP.

I assume most people here are aware of the SWP's track record of covering up the rape of its young female members. It is the nearest thing the UK left has to a grooming gang.

When the lefties on FWR play their guilt by association game, I often ask them how they feel about the unions funding SUTR, or Labour MPs speaking from their platforms. It's not difficult to say "I don't like Tommy Robinson, but the SWP are rapey as fuck and I do not associate with them or their front groups." But lots of lefty feminists are remarkably reluctant to say that, much less to ask their MPs and union officials why they do associate with this outfit.

How is it racism?

Surely it’s just commenting on the widely observed way the Koran is used as a tool to oppress women?

Please explain your thinking as I really don’t understand.

There may have been many women who wanted to speak at LWS in Oxford but were too intimidated by the screaming men to do so and perhaps too intimidated even to attend to listen to other women

Not dissimilar to the attempts on FWR to intimidate women into silence, both by TRAs and by other women who call themselves 'feminists'.

Women who are refugees and asylum seekers, women with substance abuse issues, women seeking shelter from violence, women who can't afford the high cost of food and housing here.

It seems to have escaped your attention that KJK just makes a platform for these women to speak and publishes their issues - the lack of safe single sex hostel places or rape shelters for example.

As a woman I feel a helluva lot safer around Max Morris and Sheikh Ramzy than I do around Kellie-Jay Keen.

What are you insinuating here, that she’s going to hurt you by giving you a platform to speak in public? I hope you wake up one day and realise how ridiculous you sound. I hope Sheikh Ramzy is doing his bit to stop grooming gangs in Oxford? Does he talk about that at all? The mass rape, torture and sometimes murder of vulnerable white girls targeted by predominantly Pakistani Muslims because of their race?

To quote a statement that Oxford University issued this week, Oxford is unequivocal: there is no place for antisemitism, harassment, or discrimination within our community. That includes anti-Muslim harassment.

But does not include harassment of women. Got you.

I don't see any connection between women fighting to retain women's rights and sex segregated spaces and racism - all women are welcome in the tent (even if FiLiA majorly messed up by having a speaker who excluded anyone who wasn't pro-Palestinian i.e. pro-Hamas - I read what Gupta said).
And I am fed up with people being called racist if they object to illegal immigrants, too.

You aren't capable of acknowledging the obvious evidence which as already explained to you is KJK's very particular 'focus' on Muslim misogyny that just happens to be minuscule given their comparative numbers in the UK.

And the idea that racism doesn't include ethnicity is…. willingly ignorant at best.

You aren't capable of acknowledging the obvious evidence which as already explained to you is KJK's very particular'focus' on Muslim misogyny that just happens to be minuscule given their comparative numbers.

You are making stuff up though.

She isn’t only focused on ‘Muslim misogyny’ - have you missed everything she’s been doing over the years? She’s been famously ‘untowards’ about paedophiles, her primary focus is men who call themselves women (mostly white) and all other violent men trying to stop women speak.

BTW, millions of oppressed Muslim women throughout are nit ‘miniscule numbers’ unless you don’t count women as people which I suspect you don’t.

Your desperate attempts to smear her are looking so ridiculous it’s quite comical (albeit still sounding pretty actionable).

Muslim is not an ethnicity. It is the name given to followers of a religion, Islam

Fine. Hating Muslims , Jews , Catholics, Hindus isn't racist. Odd how often Hindus and Sikhs are attacked because they're mistaken for Muslims. Can't think why.

Suppose I say ' I hate Brits' but I can't be a racist as that's a meaningless descriptor these days. You might say ' sod off Abhannmor , these are just weasel words , you lying hypocrite '. And you'd be right , surely.

Sorry, I'm genuinely not following your point here.
Hating people for being religious is not racist, though hating anyone for anything is an extreme emotion that requires a serious provocation.
It is not racist to say 'I hate Brits', because 'Brits' is neither a race (no such thing) nor an ethnicity.

She isn’t only focused on ‘Muslim misogyny’ - have you missed everything she’s been doing over the years? She’s been famously ‘untowards’ about paedophiles, her primary focus is men who call themselves women (mostly white) and all other violent men trying to stop women speak.

Uh huh, so trans women (0.5%) of the population & not the greater whiter part of the population? Keep digging…

"BTW, millions of oppressed Muslim women throughout are nit ‘miniscule numbers’ unless you don’t count women as people which I suspect you don’t."

Muslims account for 6% of the population so even if they weren't counted you still have a monumental epidemic on your hands.

What was an Imam doing at a Let Women Speak event in the first place?

Surely his expertise is in Islamic religious matters?

Its a religion & ethnicity just like Jews are. Not all Muslims or jews are religious but share a cultural background.

"An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Attributes that ethnicities believe to share include language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history or social treatment.[1][2] Ethnicities are maintained through long-term endogamy[3] and may have a narrow or broad spectrum of genetic ancestry, with some groups having mixed genetic ancestry.[4][5][6] Ethnicity is sometimes used interchangeably with nation, particularly in cases of ethnic nationalism. It is also used interchangeably with race although not all ethnicities identify as racial groups.[7]"