Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

I agree with this, they should all be banned.

Thats the marriages that they know of and purposely hunt. Meanwhile they'd totally miss the Sikh girl who is in the same situation. This is part of the problem. Forced marriage is an issue in many communities. We only care about the Muslim ones.

It seems that you are the racist as you are implying these men are not British and British men are not Muslim.

Yeah I said I fucked up on that

So we can never address it then? And sexism from one community doesn’t only harm women in that community though that’s inexcusable enough. It harms women generally. None of it is excusable. That other groups of people also abuse and demean women is a pathetic excuse for not being allowed to discuss the topic. Enough with the deflections.

I’m centre-Left btw but fuck me am I tired of the Left refusing to allow people to discuss problems within their particular favoured group whether it’s Islam in this case or TRAs.

So many posts cite the alleged illegality of this event, under the Equality Act. But the act makes limited exemptions allowing religious organisations to exclude women or men from an event if it is deemed to be necessary for religious purposes. And it may well be the case that the conditions for the exemption are met here - I understand from the article that this is being looked into

I think it is pretty bad to exclude women from this event, but if there are plenty of other runs (including Muslim runs) that allow both men and women then is it so very shocking to have one event from which women are excluded? Presumably it makes it possible for highly religiously observant males to participate. So you could make the case that to meet everyone's needs you need a variety of different events, including men's events, mixed events, and women only events.

I want to live in a society in which religious people with values different from mine can live in accordance with their beliefs, even if they are distasteful to me. Unless this one event has the consequence that Muslim women runners lack opportunities to participate in runs, then I can't see why a pluralist society should be up in arms about it.

This, exactly.

It's not excluding females though, it's excluding a certain cohort of females which does breach the equality act.

It looks like some runners are running for 16th East London Scouts. While I know Scouting need the money, I hope for the sake of equality that they refuse the donation and tell the run organisers why.

But Islam IS problematic. Or should I say the men who use it to oppress women are.

Same for Christianity or any organised religion that uses fear to keep women oppressed.

You shoukd spend your energy addressing the issues that are in your home before you think about what might be happening elsewhere. Nice boys from good homes are raping their girlfriends because they dont understand consent. Male bosses are oppressing and sexually harassing their female employees and colleagues. These are issues from your community and haven't been solved. Focus on those. It will be better for everyone.

Comparing this incident to what the Taliban do to women in Afghanistan is disgraceful.

Women know your place!!!

just to say you have absolutely no idea of the religion of any of the women posting on this board

Jewish courts have the same “powers” as any private arbitration organization, in that their decisions are enforceable in by UK courts in exactly the same situations, I.e. when both parties have agreed in advance to be bound by the decision. It’s all in the Arbitration Act 1996. There are many many organizations that use the same powers.

The idea of “closing” an organization that its community uses to decide if a chicken is kosher or not (something that is most unlikely to concern you yourself either way) seems either suspicious, or at least founded in a lack of understanding of what a Jewish court does.

The fact these people can't see why classing 12 year old girls as adults is so sick.

What on earth makes you think that?

People seem recently to have acquired a strange idea that you can't blend two protected characteristics when making decisions about complying with the Equality Act, based on a misunderstanding of the implications of the recent Supreme Court judgement.

In some religions and cultures, women are not seen as equals, yet when this is pointed out, the screams of 'you must be racist' follow, but women are being left behind yet again.

You're on the feminism board. Feminists campaign against rape, sexual harassment, sexism all day and all of the night - regardless of race, religion or class. And we don't discriminate either - regardless of the special sky god you claim, you are going to get called out for your sexist, illegal behaviour.

PS: women aren't responsible for male behaviour.

Ffs

Bang out of order and should be illegal. Probably is.

Go on, you prove it's legal. I'll wait.

Yes in a women’s race. Men in a men’s race. Men and women in an open race or a race for families.
I don’t see why this is controversial, it’s surely exactly what we would be campaigning for over on the sex and gender boards.

I wonder which posters have another agenda here that’s got nothing to do with women’s rights?

But they won’t be … because politicians like votes from religious communities and also activists ( eg trans activists) and other very vocal groups who threaten their majorities if the parties don’t follow whatever agenda they’re peddling, anti woman or not.

It’s only when women group together and are as vocal and litigious as their opponents that the blindest notice is paid - FWS and the recent Supreme Court judgement for example.

And challenging religion even where oppressive is particularly challenging due to the stated intention to reinstate blasphemy laws, the use of non- crime incidents and accusations of racism etc.

True.

but two wrongs never did make a right.

Are you spirits?

If they are not, then Islam is not a religion compatible with British society and the government needs to drastically scale back their growing influence and power.