Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

Modern British culture is secularism but the enlightenment did 100% come from Christianity whose philosophy enabled it. Eventually this led to secularism but don't let your hostility to Christianity blind you to the truth.

I agree with this and the other poster who said that secularism is the only framework that protects diversity of belief (maybe not the only one, but basically). But I'm not optimistic that secularism is 'muscular' enough to stand up to other ideologies of the kind that ultimately will destroy it.

This too. It's a common blind spot (especially on here).

You seem to have missed the point - the fun run we are alking about - Muslim Charity Run - that took place today IS excluding women. However, the group that was under discussion in the post you quoted is Muslim RUnners which DOES include women.

I agree which is why I said we need to reinvigorate British culture.

Yeah I'm always sorry when I get caught.

And want to get out the situation.

Doesn't mean I'm sorry.

According to journalist Stephen Pollard, that phrase wasn't even the worst part of what he said.

This is an interesting point and I’m inclined to agree.

What part of my post makes you think I'm hostile to Christianity?

All of this!

@ThatSpryShaker go away with your absolute disgusting justifications and embarrassing excuses for straight up misogyny. Women like you are part of the problem - Aunt Lydia

I wouldn't ban Islam either, because I believe in freedom of religion. But it is scripturally different from at least one other mainstream religion. I can only speak for Christianity.

Things the Muslim sources say about women that the Bible does not say

1. Women are spiritually inferior and intellectually deficient.
   Sahih Muslim number 142, Sahih Al-Bukhari number 2658

2. It is permissible to rape women you have captured in war.
   Qur’an Sura 23.1-6, 70.22-30

3. Men can beat wives from whom they fear disobedience into submission. Qur’an Sura 4.34

4. Men can marry girls under the age of puberty.

//It was narrated that Aisha said: 'The Prophet married me when I was six years old and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old.'//
We know from other sources that Aisha had not reached puberty at the time that Mohammed consummated the marriage. (Also that Aisha was his favourite wife.) Mohammed was 50 at the time of the marriage.
Sahih Muslim 3480 (also 3482)

Sura 33.21 says that Mohammed is the pattern of conduct for believers. Consequently child marriage is practised in some Islamic countries, such as Niger, South Sudan and Afghanistan.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1226532/countries-with-the-highest-child-marriage-rate/

5. A man can divorce a woman by saying 'I divorce you', but a woman has to have the consent of her husband, or else apply to a sharia court giving her reasons for wanting a divorce.
   https://www.roythorne.co.uk/site/blog/family-law-blog/an-overview-of-islamic-marriage-and-divorce

6. Men can have sex with their female slaves.

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty…"
Qur’an Sura 33.50

Mohammed had sex with a slave girl.
Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, page 151.

ETA:

Plus, as far as I know FGM is only practised in Muslim cultures.

I totally agree that we must have firm limits on what we are willing to accept in the UK in terms of how Islam is practised.

Well, there are Vegan Runners so 🤷🏿‍♀️

A superb post! Anyone who's worked in public services over the last forty years, including the Police and Social Services, will tell the same, whatever was happening we were told not to do anything about it because it would upset the community. It's good that the authorities are waking up to the reality of life in these communities, it's a pity it's taken so long. It's hardly surprising that some evil men think they can do what they want because up until now, they can. Some elements of the police were shown last week to be racist, the same term can be applied to these men who think that abusing a girl because she's only white is acceptable.

Agree. Also, if it’s about protecting women from harassment, why can girls younger than 12 take part?

@ElmBeechOak have you actually read the Bible?! Or gotten off Facebook and met some feminist Muslims?

But this thread isn't about Islam it's about a fun charity race that was held in a public park and excluded women...

BBC running the story now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno.amp

Which I also find bizarre - and I’m vegan

But secularism in Britain can never be devoid of Christianity Christianity runs throughout our history (well for the past 1500 plus year) language, laws, institutions, norms, art, architecture, rituals, power structures , towns and language, in short our culture. Any religion in conflict with Christianity therefore conflicts with these things.

Good point too.

Where has that been described in the thread? My own experience is that some people are prevented by their family or community from engaging in certain activities, and I agree that is depressing. But the response of ‘that’s depressing’ was in relation to a post that described something quite different.

Yes, I have read it through several times. Where do you think it says any of those things?

The Enlightenment was both a reaction to a response from Christianity. Why pretend that Christianity has not itself been a barrier to progress in many forms? Or been deeply harmful to women?

I grew up with @Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim and agree with everything.

Your privileged childhood in Stow on the Wold just doesn't merit an opinion on the matter tbh

Unfortunately there is no religion that will not brutalise women and girls.

https://www.forwarduk.org.uk./who-we-work-with/faith-community-leaders/fgm-and-religion/

they shouldn’t be able to get park permits for an event that excludes adult women from full participation.

The exception would be if they were honest and had an event for a specific affinity group and only that group, not the general public. so have a gathering of men aged 40-50 to discuss your feelings of being men aged 40-50 and go for a run together, sure. That is very different.