Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

My view of the current volatility about British culture and immigration (which is actually about western culture as the same thing is happening across Europe) is that it's taken c.50 years to reach a tipping point. Multiculturalism is essentially about tolerance, which in turn is a key value of the west. In the 1980s, when the immigrant population was much lower, lots of people were interested to learn about other cultures. Now, the numbers are seen as are a threat and the spectacle of hundreds of people entering the UK irregularly is whipping up dissent, which has taken the place of tolerance.

And the government are working with the Muslim Council of Britain to make our criticism of this a criminal matter with their new definition of ‘Islamophobia’.

Check out the Labour Party website. We won’t be able to criticise ‘expressions of Muslimness’ of which this is definitely an example.

For some inexplicable reason you are not reading my posts properly or perhaps you can't read them. I haven't once mentioned the men's run and thus haven't claimed to know anything about it. Nor have I passed judgement on it. For those reasons your questions are utterly redundant. I suggest you give your glasses, or your blind bigotry, a good wipe.

Ya, very true. The law should be applied everywhere really. It's a pity there isn't a law around this. It's needed IMO

And my view is that we have been tolerant of an intolerant regime for too long and have turned a blind eye to too much abuse.

We need to be braver and stop hiding behind the curtain of “tolerance”

We cannot be tolerant to misogyny.
We cannot be tolerant to cousins marrying and procreating generation after generation.
We cannot be tolerant of areas of towns and cities being unsafe for any demographic of person.
We cannot be tolerant of cultures that do not permit question or dissent.

I think it’s more accurate to say that men oppress women.

Men use religion as one more mechanism by which to do so. Not just Islam. Most religions. See the fundamentalist right in the US and the growing power of Project 2025 thanks to Trump. Let’s not forget that the bible says "blessed is he who has a silent wife".

There will be many moderate Muslim households like there are many moderate Christian, Jewish, Sikh households. The question is how to amplify those voices and not permit ultra religious leaders from reclaiming central ground.

I do think it is unacceptable for any community or citizen in the UK to operate in a way that denies opportunities to females - or disabled people, or gay people etc. I think they should have freedom of thought, and freedom of expression, but not be able to act in ways that denies others equality of opportunity.

Agreed. It has taken women in the UK many many years and much suffering including loss of life to win the freedoms we have today. I don’t wish them lost.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgnn3562yjo

So Iranans were mistaken when they protested the death of Mahsa Amini?

The Iranian president clearly thought something had been going on - was he also taken in by western propaganda?

Apparently his comments were broadcast on state TV - was that western propaganda?

The UN said "State authorities have expanded repressive measures and policies to further deprive women and girls of their fundamental rights."
It noted the government had "enhanced surveillance of hijab compliance" in both public and private environments while also endorsing an escalation in violence in punishing women and girls who break the rules.

But maybe that was also western propaganda?

As we've seen with the comments about the "poor uneducated muslim women"

You are the only person saying that. Literally no one else in this thread has said that.

@Hadmysay accusing others of not being liberal is hilarious. The very mindset she relies on to prop her ideology up is the complete antithesis of what her ideology actually is.

the spectacle of hundreds of people entering the UK irregularly is whipping up dissent

No, it’s reaching a tipping point where more and more people’s lives are being directly affected by this and we can see that the government are encouraging it with some delusion that it will keep the Muslim blocs voting for them.

Our world famous tolerance and generosity is being used against us, sometimes by people who want to kill us.

We can see what’s happening in other European countries, the increase in crimes against women and terrorism and we are now rejecting the constant accusations of racism from those that would silence us.

THAT is what you are seeing.

How depressing.

The trouble is, men who are using Islam to oppress women in this country are excused because of “cultural and religious freedom” Islam was designed with certain goals. Embedded within its structure is the control of women.

Yes - lovely photos on the Muslim Runners website https://activeinclusionnetwork.com/runners/

I agree with all of this. The rape gang scandal is an example of state failure on a massive scale. To defend our own culture, we need to be much more aware of its Christian roots so we know what we are defending.

Exactly, a society isn’t co existing, it is about people pulling together with the same goals, social norms etc

This is literally something I have campaigned on, but inclusion of women is the opposite of the race criteria isn’t it?

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Why is there a need for Muslim runners groups, why not integrate and join a park run?

Why is it depressing? People with different interests group together and interact. People out drinking aren’t going to be doing so with people whose religion forbids it are they? People will shop where they can buy the things they want and where they feel comfortable. Those places won’t always appeal to everyone. Instead both groups respect each others choices.

If it comes to pass we're doomed. Secularism is the only framework that protects diverse beliefs by refusing to privilege one over others.

Multiculturalism becomes unworkable without shared secular values, without it pluralism devolves into tribalism and institutional capture. When religious values infiltrate governance, they fracture the rule of law, erode individual rights, and undermine social cohesion by creating competing moral orders.

Our government will destroy the country in the name of tolerance, I suppose if anyone was going to do it, it was going to be the left. 🤯

That would require the desire to integrate.

So if this had ‘developed from a men’s scripture group’ as you suggest, why does that make it ok to specifically exclude women and girls of 12+ from this ‘family fun day’?

How many other UK events and groups do you think should be exempt from UK law and basic standards on how women are treated?

This country IS our home: it is not,or at least should not be,a collection of separate 'cultural' ghettos

It's depressing when people would like to join in with other groups but are actively prevented from doing so because it is frown on by the 'community' they belong to.

I grew up in Rotherham. It’s a bit of a hot button topic for me.
The problem is so insidious there, and so normalised, and so excused.
I went to school with girls who were abused by these men. I went to school with children who were products of their mum’s abuse in the 80’s. I went to school with children who were spirited away to Pakistan while we were 13 and came back “married”, waiting for their spouse to arrive after we left school. I grew up with children who were forced by their families to starve themselves of food and water in the hottest summer days to prove their dedication to their religion. I grew up with girls not allowed to go to college once we left school because they had been married off to cousins years before. I grew up with boys who were beaten at Mosque and winced in pain when they sat for our maths lessons.
I grew up with the constant feeling of guilt because I thought all these things were wrong but everything I was told was that it was all ok, it was their culture and it was racist to think otherwise.