Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

Well, let’s just lock women up altogether, so then they’re totally safe? What pandering nonsense. So glad the public is waking up to these issues.

If they don't want women and girls to be harassed then they should take action to remove men committing harassment not ban women and girls from taking part

What all 2 million of them, spoken to them personally have you, I'm starting to suspect your male because you're going to an awful lot of trouble to make a case for keeping women in muslim communities isolated from the culture of the host country.

No one is suggested being indoctrinated / discriminated against / oppressed is an IQ / education thing ..

it’s a power and control thing !!

I am really getting convinced that you are male - your blindness is bizarre or disingenuous

This is so worrying. Sharia law is growing rapidly in the UK.

Yes, pandering doesn't work in the long run. And people are SO waking up to it.

Not necessarily.

I don’t know why the op has picked on this particular event from a single mosque. There must be events similar to this one up and down the country involving many cultures and faith groups. We know absolutely nothing about the whys and wherefores of this run. For all we know it may have developed from a men’s scripture study group (please forgive me if I use the wrong terms. I know next to nothing about the Muslim faith). What feels discriminatory is OP’s picking on this group and I am starting to suspect their reasons because this spotlight could be dangerous for this group in this political climate. Leave them alone.

Yes we might have a few idiot middle aged white blokes out of the 67mill population but our whole culture isn't treating women like second class citizens.

No it just brainwashes them into wearing leas clothes for the male gaze,that they need to do horrible somewhat even violent sex acts in the bedroom for their boyfriends and that sleeping around is liberating.
Fact is some muslim men can be problematic like many men from any culture but so can yours

"As we've seen with the comments about the "poor uneducated muslim women""

Stop this please @Hadmysay
No one has said this

Well the second one did, on appeal.

First one, not so much.
In fact, it was said (paraphrasing) the fact the man ran back for a knife was proof of how heinous the crime of burning it in the first place was.

It does seem, going by some of the cases I’ve followed on FWR, the lower courts have more activist type judges, and then you get the adults back in charge in the higher courts.

Yep. And that men can take up to 4 wives. I know someone will pounce and tell me it's so they can marry impoverished widows out of the goodness of their hearts, but that's crap and they all know it. Someone else will also be quick to tell me how men and women are considered equal in the Q'uran and that Islam is a shining beacon of women's education and advancement. More crap anyone? Islam is in direct conflict with liberal Western values, yet ironically it's the most liberal of westerners that defend it to the hilt.

Not a sporting event - a charity / fun run for everyone - other than animals and females >12 years

not a daily mail thing -
Baroness Shaista Gohir OBE, the chief executive of the Muslim Women's Network UK, said the East London Mosque, which is behind the event, was in breach of the Equality Act. - aka unlawful

The specific and widespread grooming gangs I’m talking about aren’t ‘seen’ as Muslims, they ARE Muslims.

Predominantly Muslims originating from Pakistan.

Pakistani Muslims make up approximately one third of UK Muslims.

I really can’t see the point you are attempting to make.

OP has highlighted this event because it was reported in the news.

No it isn’t. How offensive.

It does. There are exceptions for religion, but this isn't one of them.

Please show me where I am defending the practice of excluding women and girls from organised running. I suspect you are responding to what you wish I had said rather than what I have actually said. And for what it's worth, I have had many men try to insert themselves into my running practice over the years, not just the one. You weren't there so how you think I should have felt about this is completely irrelevant.

He is a man with an ideology who has come here to tell you what to think. Just like the TRA's.

'Stop it' is sadly not in his dictionary.

In the DM? That does not make it any less discriminatory does it?

And I would expect those male teachers to be asked to dress more professionally. I have no problem with there being uniform regulations, and with girls (and boys) being told to adhere to them if they take the mick, but the reason given for this should not be because of the effect on male teachers. It's insulting to the male teachers, because it implies that they can't control themselves.

Some community's strive to be better, yours doesn't. Your community is inside my community so get use to being asked to do better.

No it doesn't make the event excluding women any less discriminatory because it was reported in the DM

It seems to me that the main objection/ concern about an open to all event excluding women and girls aged 12+ is that we don’t understand the legitimate aim that makes this a proportionate action.

I think the anger is in anticipation/ expectation that the exclusion relates to beliefs and expectations that over the age of 12, running isn’t fitting for women. Or, perhaps, seeing women run will lead the males to have sacrilegious thoughts.

These attributions arise not from racism but from what people know about laws and practices in some Muslim countries. They are horrified that this happens elsewhere in the world but even more so in a country that has the equality act.

Whilst a white/secular led fundraiser would be very unlikely to have the same inclusion/exclusion criteria, there may well be other areas of rampant misogyny and sexism manifesting in other ways. I’m confident that this too would be posted and met with wtf responses. I’m also confident that no one would jump on with ‘don’t forget the misogynistic Muslim fundraiser’ and if they did, they would get strong pushback

You appear to object both to women displaying themselves to the male gaze, and also to them having spaces away from men.

Let's put this another way. Why do you think women might create a private exercise space away from men? And why do you think men might hold a public event in a public park to which anyone may spectate and allow men, boys and little girls but ban any female of pubescent age and over?

It's what many of you are insinuating.
That the poor uneducated muslim women need saving like they don't already know the laws of their own religion 😂.
Like most don't actively love their religion