Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

I want all women and girls to have access to healthy and fulfilling activities in line with their male counterparts. I see this as being something that should be universal and transcend borders and cultures.

I acknowledge concern about imposing ‘western’ ideals on other cultures. The problem is the framing of what constitutes ‘western’.

Is the idea of requiring all gay people, disabled people and females to be treated with dignity, respect and equality, regardless of their race and religion, really evidence of colonialist thinking?

Many people who want greater equality have been fearful of expressing balanced views in anticipation of being accused of racism and bigotry. They know they will encounter unfalsifiable arguments claiming that anyone who fails to acknowledge that believing XYZ is racist/homophobic/transphobic is clearly racist/homophobic/transphobic.

People are waking up to this and pushing back, at the same time, those with more extreme view are also speaking out. These 2 groups are being lumped together as ‘far right’ and people are saying the far right is on the rise. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn’t, but until we start differentiating the two groups we won’t know.

Haven't read the thread but this is the 11th run, so it's not had any attention before. If it's a fun run this is discriminatory.

We think of 13 is a kind of turning point into young adulthood surely.

Instead of restricting the women's category to just women they simply decided to take down all the category results from their website instead.

They still publish the results for each individual park run each week and the results are listed by gender. I think that perhaps they used to rank everyone running everywhere each week and they have stopped doing that? To be fair, I wouldn't expect them to be doing cheek swabs on the start line and I don't think they check people's ages, but I think the expectation should be that runners should give correct information... but that is another thread!

also conflating this single-sex swimming sessions.

Has just occurred to me - are there single sex swimming sessions for men? You would have thought that following the same logic, these should be provided?

So, why hasn't this been challenged at all? This is a classic case of discrimination.

Who is the "you" and "your" here please?

You meant what you said, you clearly don’t see Muslim men as British, and think they should be left to their own devices, while we worry about ‘our’ men.

Your meaning is clear as day.
Own it

I hear you but it seems like many on here are only happy with segregation if it's one way. I,e if it's women that benefit from it.

That’s not really a choice though, if they are deliberately excluded. Also, this is described as a FAMILY event. Are Muslim women not part of the family?

You have no idea what this sounds like, have you?

Maybe you have a vested interest in pretending this is all perfectly OK. But increasingly, people aren't buying it.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time.

I am surprised by the amount of women on here defending a charity event which seems to be run by a very narrow minded, out dated bunch of sexist men.

I'd be even more surprised myself if all of them are women.

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I mean if that poster can show 1 instance of mass oppression of men I’m willing to listen.

One of the posters on here arguing in favour of it the most is a man.

https://www.instagram.com/sistersactivitiesclub

There's plenty of things for women only in the uk.
Jobs,gyms,yoga classes,pilates,football games,martial arts classes etc

And do you understand why they are needed?

Mr Khan – who responded to Mr Trump by calling him 'Islamophobic' and 'racist' – last night did not respond to a request to comment on whether Muslim Charity Run's rules were acceptable.

Thers’s your answer, folks. Even our most ‘enlightened’, progressive Mayor won’t comment.

Well said, Mumsnet didn't want feminists to speak about transgenderism but had to acquiesce eventually. Now we're trying to speak out against the even bigger danger of Islamism and they're repeating the same mistake.

I'm talking about a country, the system that has approximately 65 million people living in it. A system that is based on secular values and not on religious values, a system that says women are equal to men (in theory at least) how does a religion who thinks a women is worth 2/3 of a man exist side by side.
Tower Hamlet is awash with tensions from what I read in the paper and perhaps illustrates that the 'communities' that have opposing values are not getting on and co-existing.

I think the general opinion on this board is that men also need single sex spaces.

However, when millions of muslim women are currently being deprived of basic rights, with religion as the justification, it's fair to wonder whether exclusion is being used to oppress.

I caught that while browsing the news online. It was, of course, in the Daily Mail who thrive on hyperbole. I thought when reading it, "At least they're leaving Meghan alone for once", but, no, they were not as I saw scrolling down.

It's not my business but Islam decrees men and women's sporting events should be separate. There's nothing to stop Muslim women doing one at another time if they want.

Given the current climate, I can understand this being enforced for the charity run. They don't want women and girls harrassed along the way, a group of fit men will be safe.

You are not as liberal as you think trust me.
As we've seen with the comments about the "poor uneducated muslim women"

I can’t bring myself to answer this … have u literally just been beamed down from another planet ????

Why should we trust you on what is liberal?