Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

Women and girls can have their own events.
They have many.

Can you provide some links to details of the women's fun runs?

Most do know the rights they could have.
Especially the ones in england.They just don't want what you want.
Most don't want to free mix and be around men all the time.
Most muslim women aren't as uneducated and as stupid as many of you think they are

Why delete my post @mnhq?

You're silencing women trying to talk about this subject.

Lots more of this coming down the line.

And if those in authority continue to cave in, which seems likely, we might as well hand the next election to Reform, on a platter.

your preconceived views mean you're utterly unable to see that this event is discriminatory. That's OK. Due to the liberal values we hold in this country people are allowed to be wrong about stuff and to hold views that disagree profoundly with mainstream opinion

good innit?

They will list and rank any man who says he's a woman as a woman, but they let actual women compete, so yay I guess.

I’m torn on this. We are asking for women only spaces and events. Quite rightly. Because of our “gender critical beliefs”. In other words, sex matters.

so, what’s happening here is that they’re offering a men’s event (fine) and a kids event (fine) which I assume is mixed sex, and both events happen at same time. So runners will be entirely mixed.

if we say that kids are under 12, and that boys 12 and over count in men’s race part. So far so good. Kids under 12 are taking part, and “men” over 12 are also taking part at same time.

the issue is the men (possibly and some women) organising this have not included a women’s category and don’t want women to run at same time. Alongside the men. So, not that different from that a lot of women would ask. Seperate sex based run events . But there is nothing to stop those Muslim women wanting to run to organise their own run at a separate time . At least there is no accusation of that I have read

if the Muslims involved in this were entirely banning women from running in public places, in any event, mixed or single sex at any times, that is an entirely different form of sexism, and indeed is pretty indefensible, in the uk. But If the mosque or community is not banning women from running entirely, which I’ve not read, then I don’t get what the issue is. The women in their community can do their own thing, at their own time, and stuff the blokes if they don’t want to come and watch and support.

the 12 years seems a reasonable cut of as kids vs adults based on a nominal puberty age. Bit young for boys, maybe a bit old for a lot of girls. But a simplistic nominal determination.

anyone have a fuller story of whether the mosque/community is banning women from running publicly entirely, ever, even in their own sex based events. That is the real question.

Again, women in the UK had to go to court to get confirmation of the rights they have. It isn't a question of being stupid.

Unfortunately we know that Muslim women are being deprived of the rights they want in Afghanistan and Iran, so why would we assume that women just don't want rights?

I agree- given what's happening to women's rights in muslim countries such as Afghanistan, this makes me feel very uncomfortable.

They say the event is for everyone, a place where 'everyone belongs', except if you're a woman.

Exactly you've agreed with me, why are these girls excluded from this event if they can wear a hijab and run?? Perhaps the men are threatened by being beaten by a woman and the shame of it. Muslim girls are culturally oppressed, in summer these 13 year olds are made to wear trousers or tights and be hot where as the boys can wear shorts and t shirt. It's plain wrong, defend it all you like but it's not a culture that works in the UK. An argument that a white bloke (actually you didn't state his race even) once shouted at you, not that you even heard him, when you ran doesn't defend a whole culture of oppression. My child can go out and compete in sprinting as she can wear appropriate clothes, wearing trousers and long sleeves will affect timings. She can wear what she wants in summer to be cool, her friend can not. Any park run wont exclude based on age or sex, all proper athletic events have women's, men's, girls and boys events slightly different distances based on ages. So why does this event not allow girls over 13 to do it but it let's boys? There is no defending it. Yes we might have a few idiot middle aged white blokes out of the 67mill population but our whole culture isn't treating women like second class citizens. But you carry on defending young girls being opressed in the UK in 2025.

Some muslim women have been oppressed and killed granted the vast majority aren't.
There's women in your culture that are oppressed to and killed too.
And we all live by rules. Everyday.
Most women are happy to live by these rules. You might not like it but that's a you issue.
And every community is conditioned.
Yours especially.
No community is perfect.

what’s happening here is that they’re offering a men’s event (fine) and a kids event (fine) which I assume is mixed sex, and both events happen at same time. So runners will be entirely mixed.

That’s absolutely not what’s happened! It’s not a ‘men’s run and kids run’. It’s one family event, from which women and teenage girls are specifically banned from entering. Stop trying to make it sound less bad than it is.

"Most muslim women aren't as uneducated and as stupid as many of you think they are"

Please point out where anyone has said this @Hadmysay

"Can a fun run be gender affected?

Interesting to compare to park run, who say that they don't need to segregate any of their results by sex, because they are just a fun run, even though they provide a service by timing participants."

Parkrun certainly used to segregate their results by sex. They stopped doing this last year as women were complaining that trans-identifying men were entering the women's category.

Instead of restricting the women's category to just women they simply decided to take down all the category results from their website instead.

Here is a report from Athletics Weekly about it:

https://athleticsweekly.com/news/parkrun-ditches-course-and-age-category-records-1039975182/

But, to answer the question "Can a fun run be gender affected?" No, I don't think that they can in that sense (except where times are being recorded).

The quote from the DM was this:

Last night, an East London Mosque spokesman said: 'The suggestion that our event breaches the Equality Act is entirely incorrect.

'Single-gender sporting events are lawful under Section 195 and Schedule 23 of the Act, and are common across the UK, including the Women's Run Series, Nike Women's 10K, and gender-segregated swimming sessions at Orthodox Jewish facilities like Manchester Jewish Community Centre.

'The Muslim Charity Run operates under the same legal framework as these established events.'

They are likening themselves to single-sex women's timed events and also conflating this single-sex swimming sessions.

All very confusing.

And all of that may well have been fine and arguable, apart from the illuminating fact that the Muslim Charity Run website itself states:

Open to everyone: runners, walkers, and children (girls under 12 and boys of any age)

IE they are clearly stating, in black and white, that girls are only girls if they are under 12 but boys are boys no matter what their age (until they reach majority). They are not, as you allude, claiming boys 12 and above are men. They know they aren’t, they clearly state it.

Oh yes - the men wanting their results cohorted with the women to make themselves look faster 🏃‍♂️!!
that still goes on - fuckers

Why do women have women only gyms,yoga classes and their own seperate things tell me

female only safe spaces are long established as required for many reasons as well u will be aware

Why? Why are they so thing tell me.

I've just checked the website. It's surreal to read the words "This is open to men, boys of all ages and girls under 12" about a sporting event taking place in the UK in 2025. Genuinely scary, and I don't think I'm being melodramatic in saying that.

This isn't an event for men, it claims to be for EVERYONE.

At the heart of the event is our flagship 5K charity run, bringing together people of all ages and backgrounds to raise funds for great causes. But the day offers so much more. With family-friendly activities, a buzzing* community atmosphere, and a focus on well-being and togetherness, this is an event where everyone belongs*.

Also, where is the equivalent women's race, of similar size and scale?

They have a choice. They have a choice not to go and go to the many women only events.

Imagine if it was a charty race that excluded muslims.

Are you asking why women require single sex spaces?

Did you think the trans movement was the only one where women are increasingly meant to accept their suppression with a smile under the guise of 'being kind?'.

Where deletions are meant to keep you from speaking against it, because it is beyond the pale to do so? And there will be violent and bloody hatred against those who speak out.

Women of the UK have a far more dangerous battle on the horizon now. But I have faith that you and we are up to the task. My family had to flee our home before because of radical Islam, we will not do so again.

The fight with radical Islam is around the same place on mumsnet as the fight against TRAs was back in 2016. I believe it will follow the same pattern.