Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

Communities can’t have their own rules

But they already do now what?

I wouldn’t believe it; do you have evidence? Anything that undermines the British Rule of Law should be banned. Our laws are there to protect everyone whilst other court systems cannot demonstrate the same.

Very interesting questions. Thanks for the food for thought.

Depends what you mean by rules.

The tennis club can have its own rules about membership, but they can't contravene UK law.

Please can you provide us with the link to the information to this women’s race as I can’t find it.

Do you think we should ban women only gyms,yoga classes fitness groups?

What's that got to do with the question of whether you think Muslim men cannot be trusted not to abuse girls unless segregated

female only safe spaces are long established as required for many reasons as well u will be aware - unless you are male and just here to agitate ?

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the phrase 'proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim' means nothing to you does it?

Whatever the rights and wrongs I think this is pretty clearly unlawful. It’s distinguishable from a single sex race (permissible) because it allows females up to age 12. As a matter of law, it’s discriminatory.

But surely the default should be for women, as equal members of society, to have a choice? Then they can exclude themselves if that’s their preference.

I love special sky god 😂

In the article, the mosque say that they are relying on Section 195 of the Equality Act. This applies where an activity is a "gender-affected activity". In other words something where being stronger, taller etc affects the outcome.

So, the mosque itself is saying that this event is a gender-affected activity and should have separate categories. The only trouble is that they exclude women over the age of 11.

Another example of running being a gender-affected activity is Parkrun which organises runs in parks throughout the country. They have seperate gender categories.

Depends why they are single sex. I have already posted the reasons that a service can be single sex, and an association does not need any reason to be single sex.

We allow religions more leeway than other organisations, but there is a line that they can't cross.

What's not clear here is whether the muslim women aren't allowed to run in this race because it is considered wrong for them to run at all. It would be disingenuous to suggest that this concern is not justified.

yes. just because your imaginary friend says British law is wrong, it shouldn't mean you get to ignore it when you are in Britain. And frankly those in positions of authority turning a blind eye to law breaking depending on the motivation does fuck all for community cohesion, in fact it totally undermines it.

If we're not all subject to the same laws then we're not exactly all in it together are we?

Yes. Starmer can keep repeating we are decent, open, tolerant etc. But we just get seen as lily livered, feeble and pathetic. Better to be strong, and have the same rules for everybody.

Wow, you had to do some mental gymnastics to ‘get it’ there, didn’t you?

Why doesn’t it just say ‘men’s race’ on the ad then? Surely if they’re comfortable that it’s a men’s race for the purposes of male camaraderie they would just say so?

in park run both sexes run together - the results are cohorted separately

there is no male privilege at park run

We should tackle it if it’s incompatible with our values and way of life

hence all the discussions about banning cousin marriage. It wasn’t necessary before because it had died out in the UK as a practice. Now there are communities with significant problems putting significant pressure on the NHS and other public resources because of generations of consanguinity. So now people want it banned.

There is lots of male privilege at park run - they famously refuse to breakdown the results by sex (unless they have changed their minds and I somehow missed it).

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has the slightest knowledge of Islam.

Neither the exclusion of women, nor the fact that girls of 12 years of age are considered 'old enough' for certain purposes.

Repugnant. Backwards. Incompatible.

How do competing systems that have different values co-exist in one country?

The same way if you go to tower hamlets bricklane,whitechapel etc you see the muslim people covered,not drinking and you see british white people drinking,not covered co existing and leaving eachother alone.
I see it all the time in that area.
The muslims go to the market,the chai shops,muslim restaraunts,British white people go to pubs,and indian restaraunts down brick lane.
People don't exactly mix or talk as such but people coexist and leave eachother alone and are very respectful.

a separate little state within a state? that kind of thing?