Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

This issue has been reported more widely than the DM and GB News.

"At the heart of the event is our flagship 5K charity run, bringing together people of all ages and backgrounds to raise funds for great causes."

Women do not even count as people

Is says it’s a race bringing together people of all ages and backgrounds….so by implication women and girls of from the age of 12 are not “people”. Fucking disgraceful.

This is absolutely the thing that shocks me most about it.

What's a gender race?

If you meant to say "By your logic then trans people can take part in any women's race and in fact anyone can take part in any sexed sports events they wish to. Mike Tyson can enter a women's boxing match.", then no that is not comparable and not by @inamarina's logic at all.

inamarina said "Why should some women get to decide for other women whether they can take part in a race?" and you are saying by that logic women shouldn't be able to exclude men from women's single sex sports, which is rather silly because women's sports are for women, not for men with a trans identity that exists only in their head (if at all) while they remain male bodied with all the advantages that gives them in sporting competitions.

Trans identified men are still men.

they are muslim

yes, and they are also British and operating in Britain. This means they should be required to obey British law, regardless of their religion. I'm thoroughly puzzled by people arguing that one's religion allows you to pick and choose which laws to obey

as an aside, as noted by a PP, the organisers, East London Mosque Trust have a regulatory alert against them although I can't find details of it. On the surface they do look as if they could be dodgy. Allowing religious charities seems to me a very bad idea.

register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/constituency-search/-/charity-details/4034875/charity-overview?_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_organisationNumber=4034875

So is segregation OK or not?
It's someone else said I'm pretty sure things like this have and do happen in other walks of life. Grass roots football for one

Are non Muslim women allowed?

To a point they are

Probably because the religious freaks who organised this are so misogynistic they see girls over 12 as women! 😡

Maybe the men are scared of being beaten by a woman? 🤷‍♀️

I think it does

I think from FWS 2 protected characteristics are OK so just for Muslim men would be ok (as would a lesbian event) but not 3 as its age, religion and sex. Well it is for associations anyway. Not sure if this is the same

Grassroots football might be segregated by a single category sex, age, disability, sexual orientation, etc, but what single team has a group of players comprised of men and boys of all ages, and girls under 12 who all play together in the same matches?

"But the act makes limited exemptions allowing religious organisations to exclude women or men from an event if it is deemed to be necessary for religious purposes."

You are mistaken here. You seem to be thinking about Section 2 of the Equality Act.

Yes, this does allow a religious organisation to impose restrictions on membership or participation in its activities. But those restrictions can only be imposed by reference to a person's religion or sexual orientation.

So, for example, a muslim organisation can limit participation in an event to just those people who say they are muslim. They can exclude anyone who is not muslim.

But that is all. They cannot hold an event that is for all muslim men and some muslim women.

If it was just for muslim men (or just for muslim women) then they could probably make an arguable case for doing that.

As to sexual orientation, I believe that homosexuality is not considered permissable in Islam, and/or is widely objected to. So a muslim organisation could refuse to let out some property it owned to a Gay Pride celebration if it considered that it would conflict with the strongly held religious convictions of a significant number of its followers. This would not be unlawful sexual orientation discrimination.

This is the problem. There seems to be this unbelievable apathy towards the idea of the gradual erosion of the rule of law. Have we had it too good for too long?

Upthread PP reported that there are predictions that in 75 years time we will be a minority in our own country. As we have seen in many other countries, this will not be to our benefit, particularly that of women and lesbians and gays.

Other countries would go to war to defend their right to sovereignty and freedom of religion. We just shrug and say ‘oh well’ or shout down and label as racists anyone who expresses concern.

Maybe the loudest voices that do all this shouting have huge arrogance that the stated aims of some Muslim leaders to take over will never succeed? At the moment, there is not much to stop them - certainly our government want to help them.

We need to apply UK law equally to all and stop allowing it to be undermined by making exceptions for specific groups.

So far we have seen entire police forces turning a blind eye or even facilitating the widespread sexual abuse of girls by Muslim grooming gangs, we see animal welfare rules suspended and harmful first cousin marriage condoned and even promoted as good by the NHS.

Entire police forces are turning a blind eye to trans activists escalating violent acts designed to intimidate women.

We are creating sacred castes who are not subject to the full extent of our laws.

Case closed

Outrageous & unbelievable.
I suppose muslim women are indoctrinated from their first breath, so I don’t need to feel sorry for them…?
I’m angry that the event is tolerated in, what I thought all my life(69yrs), was my country 🧐.

It’s not a men-only race - girls under 12 can compete; that’s the issue.

I don’t think you understand

A run for children 12 and under - anyone under 12 is excluded
a run for males - anyone not a male is excluded
a run for males and female children under the age of 12 - only girls of a certain age and women are excluded

Can you see the difference?

Not really shocking though is it?

Women don’t attend mosques for Friday prayers; it’s only men who attend.

How do competing systems that have different values co-exist in one country? They're not a 'community' they are people who live in this country, how is it possible for values that are odds to co-exist in a single system which is what a country is?

The discomfort stems from seeing an increasing number of women wearing ultra religious clothing

Swings and roundabouts.
A lot of religious women are wearing more clothes a lot of non religious women in the uk anyway are wearing less clothes. A lot less.
If you look at the schoolgirls the skirts are getting shorter and shorter.
Shouldn't that make you feel uncomfortable?
Both can be problematic.
Infact I would say we have a bigger from with women wearing less in the uk than covering but that's a whole other topic.

Only if you think women should be kept from running for reasons of decency and making sure no-ones privacy is violated by having to look at a woman running.

These are two completely different things.

Being able to have a private space for women which is safe from the male gaze is very different from excluding women and girls from a public event.

There are a lot of disturbing things going on in the States but I wonder if they have a longer term vision than we do. Ultimately I bloody hope they wouldn’t let their key allies be ruled over by theological despots until they were a shark surrounded island. But - we should be salvaging our own country first, not allowing it to be taken because we are too weak and pathetic to stand up for ourselves.

This is absolutely nothing to go with the practice of allowing children under 8 into opposite sex changing rooms or toilets with a parent if necessary for practical purposes.

Explicitly banning all women and girls 12 and over from a public road race is unacceptable and unnecessary. There is absolutely no sporting detriment to men to have women involved. Don’t try and justify it.