Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

You're mistaken. According to the government Forced Marriage Unit, last year they dealt with 240 people (229 forced marriages and 11 FGM). The main countries involved were:

The ‘focus countries’ (other than the UK) with the highest number of cases in 2024 were:

• Pakistan 107 cases (45%)
• Bangladesh 30 cases (13%)
• Afghanistan 16 cases (7%)
• India 6 cases (3%)
• Somalia 6 cases (3%)
• Nigeria 5 cases (2%)

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You'll notice from the above that Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan account for 65% (almost two thirds) of the cases.

Source:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/forced-marriage-unit-statistics-2024/forced-marriage-unit-statistics-2024

To the posters who don't believe the race is discriminatory
if they had instead had a mens race and a separate under 12s children's race but no women's race would you consider that to be discrimination or not

I think the poster is not calling Muslim women slaves, but pointing out that the oppressed party cannot have a sufficient voice to overthrow the oppressor - and society has a responsibility to fight for equal rights across the board - no one should be excluded / discriminated against - that’s why we have protected characteristics

She can't as she is simply wrong. Government figures show otherwise (see my post above)

If you read the DM article you will see that it is a Muslim woman who has been complaining and has flagged this up repeatedly.

Nope. In this country equality and freedom of speech are protected in law. Communities can’t have their own rules. If people want to live under sharia law and religious theocracies they have about 50 other countries to choose from.

I agree. There are four Million Muslims living in the UK, and bit more than quarter of a million Jews, not all of them orthodox either, yet you always get the „what about the orthodox Jews“ response.

Indeed. @ThatSpryShaker evidenced that this view is based on her own London girls school - aka her own echo chamber

It isn't only about Muslim women participating in this sport, it is about the laws of this country being upheld by everyone no matter what their religion or beliefs.

Tbf muslims do have a big emphasis on gender segregation due to the possibility of attraction,temptation etc.
Better to be safe than sorry etc.
Same like that in the orthodox jewish community as well as it goes.
I wouldn't necessarily see that as them seeing 13 and over as "fair game" in fact I would say it s trying to prevent fair game.
There I said it as others are too scared to

Why should some women get to decide for other women whether they can take part in a race?

Are you saying that Muslim men can't be trusted to not sexually abuse girls unless they are segregated from them.

What does that have to do with anything? It still doesn't make it lawful.

To take another example, what if you found that women were instrumental in deciding that trans-identifying men should become members of the WI?

Would that make any difference to it being lawful or not?

I imagine that has more to do with competition. This is a charity run. In football, there is bound to be a point where the sexes don’t mix anymore due to the physical advantage boys/men have over girls/women in terms of speed and strength. That’s why there are separate sports events for each sex. Again, this is a charity run. No competition. No need to be excluding anyone.

By your logic then trans people can take part in any gender race and in fact anyone can take part in any gender sports events they wish to. Mike Tyson can enter a womens boxing match.

"when you have earphones and getting on with your run how can you be harassed"

Err, pretty easily actually. Just because I didn't hear what the idiot said who wound down the window of his van, looked right at me and made an offensive gesture and facial expression, doesn't mean that his actions were neutral. I'm genuinely pleased for you if you've never been fearful as a result of male attention whilst running but please do not claim that this means it never happens.

When it comes to Muslim women and girls I am always pleased to see hijabis participating in my local parkrun, some of them taking part as a whole family. Wearing a hijab does not mean that a woman/girl is unable to run so it's pretty disappointing that there are places where exclusion is by design.

And if that is the suggestion, then what is the logic of girls / women being able to attend this event. Cheer on the males. But not run

so 12 and over females can’t run because they may have something jiggling ???

none of it makes any sense …. Other than control. Of girls / women for the benefit of males.

What physical risk if there from men and women running together?

Why does Islam hate women so much?

Countries need immigration. People need to have the opportunity that being able to immigrate brings. I am an immigrant myself from a country based on immigration. But it cannot be racist to acknowledge that immigrants bring cultural norms, practices and values with them when they move to a new country. Those norms serve some but not all.

Having always been a ‘leftie’ and adopting a live and let live perspective (granted having grown up in naice area) but I’m feeling a lot of cognitive dissonance now. Wishing to remain tolerant on the one hand, yet accepting that social ‘values’ - uncomfortable to me - can visibly change. Specifically, due to increases in immigrants from strict Islamic communities where women have to wear the Burqa and can only leave the house in the company of men.

I’m also very concerned about the rise in antisemitism, but it is those cultural or religious practices in relation to women that concern me the most. We would all agree that FGM is an abhorrent cultural practice. Maybe finding the exclusion of women and girls over 12 from a charity race problematic is not a factor of Islam per se but how the religion is yet one more mediating mechanism that oppresses women. Yet seemingly it’s hard to challenge because to do so results in either accusations of or feelings of racism.

It’s troubling.

Islam is an oppressor of women.

The sooner people wake up and recognise that out loud, the better.

Pakistanis aren't the only muslims in the uk.
I find it funny how first the grooming gangs were seen as asians,then pakistani now we see muslims as the face of grooming gangs due to media gb news,dailymail etc even though it was mainly one group.
Pakistanis.

I find it concerning. I've lived in 3 North London boroughs and 2 very diverse northern cities. I have only come across a tiny number of Orthodox Jews. I don't think their practices impact on the wider population, although no doubt someone will find a story which contradicts that...🤔

Absolutely.

and it is meant to be fun

Women can only join in the fun by cheering on

It is meant to be family event, woman are a part of families.