Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

Was just about to come on and say this. Unless it’s advertised as a men’s run for idk prostate cancer or something, surely it’s illegal? Would be okay if they had a women's and a men’s race because they could justify it on all the grounds that we are arguing for protected women’s categories but an outright ban? Just no.

The whole racism thing has gone too far IMO, especially when it makes us afraid to call out things like this. You can't respect everything someone does or put it down to culture. Some things are just plain wrong

Also, @TeaBiscuitsNaptime not when in means inherently protecting men's rights over that of women and girls.

I find it so interesting (read "bonkers") that we've got to a point where we have the "liberal left" falling over themselves to defend regressive, sexist, misogynistic views (there's obviously a very direct parallel here with trans rights).

The thing is, it's literally impossible to be smugly "tolerant" of everything. To be tolerant of this kind of exclusion and restriction is to condone it. I do not want to live in a society where girls are told they become an issue or a problem when they hit 12 years old.

Open to everyone: runners, walkers, and children (girls under 12 and boys of any age), plus family and friends as spectators or volunteers. Whether you’re taking part in the 5 km run or cheering from the sidelines, you’re welcome!

How predictable.

This is what a lot of religions are like. The same reason why in some synagogues, women have to sit together in the back or out of the men's sight, in case they distract them. 😐

You show me why it's not.

Lots of muslim women trained at my DD’s martial arts gym in the gulf, often actually sharing a cage with men as well, one of the instructors was a hijabi mix of women who covered and those who didn’t, would often see women running in modest wear as well. DD’s swim coach wore a burkini and a swimming hijab to teach alongside male coaches. There is no damn reason at all for girls and women to be barred from this run.

It seems to me that some mosques in the UK are more conservative than how a lot of muslims actually live in gulf countries.

Yes. That’s the current law.

The government are working hard to change the law to ensure that anyone who criticises Islam (or “expressions of Muslimness” from the APPG, are criminalised,

Because women are meant to be in the home and out of public life. They can cheer the men folk on maybe, play supporting act, but not be the centre of attention that would challenge mens' delicate egos.

Waiting to hear what the nasty vile mayor says …. Oh wait. They are all in his pocket and vice versa … at least the men are

That wouldn’t surprise me.

I wonder if Tommy Robinson would be allowed to join as they are so inclusive …..

This.

A school that only accepts boys over 11?
Different uniform for boys and girls?

I'm pretty sure there are cases of schools from tear 7-11 being single sex then sixth form ages mixed gender

Not sure that the fact it’s ‘their race’ really stands up here. If my husband beats the crap out of me in ‘his living room’ is that OK? The law applies everywhere.

The man was found guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence. I’m a legal eagle so will break it down a bit.

There is no such thing as a standalone religious ‘hate crime’. This is an uplift which is applied to a base offence - in this case the offence was a public order offence, and the racially aggravated uplift was then applied as he was burning the Koran.

His ‘public order offence’ was Section 5 of the Public Order Act, which criminalises acting in a "disorderly" manner, or displaying material that is likely to cause "harassment, alarm or distress" to others.

However this Act is usually applied to (for example) people who are acting in a way that is not rooted in freedom of speech, otherwise the ‘The end is nigh!!!’ street preachers would all be arrested. A typical example would be somebody ranting, screaming and swearing in a threatening manner toward shop staff or police, in a way that makes the public feel worried or intimidated.

Luckily his appeal was granted on the basis that his freedom of speech entitled him to do what he did, but what initially happened was they tried to warp an offence into ‘fitting’ the circumstances because of course burning a Koran is, and should be, legal but they needed (in my opinion) to appease communities by making something fit.

I’m not convinced they won’t try to warp other offences in future so although burning a Koran isn’t technically illegal, doing it will bring public order offences etc down on your head.

It’s a thorny issue that countries with increasing diversity are grappling with.

If a country/ wider community accepts and promotes equal rights for women, what should be done about a sub community that doesn’t. Is it a sign of tolerance or intolerance to condone the oppression of women in this context?

Many people believe that the rise in support for reform comes from people who are bigots coming out from the dark. Many others believe that calling people bigots for holding a different answer to the above question than their preferred one is leading non bigoted people to vote reform in the hope of less oppression!

I don't see this would stand up in court, it's invoking discrimination but not in a way that would be legal.

A children under 12 run and a men's run might fare better, then at least there's coherent use of legal discrimination. No one wants to stop children or men having their own events, but this is nothing to do with looking for positive opportunities for those two groups, it's about male control of girls and women. Which can fuck off.

Labour need to get a grip on this kind of thing, it's Farage's birthday about three times a day at the moment.

No. And as an atheist, I don't like to see this sort of thing Judaism either, or any other religion.

Yes PP on another thread observed that this may because the other countries are experiencing a natural progression whereas a number of the powerful Muslim leaders here either originate from certain areas that are particularly UN-progressive in their customs (a lot are apparently from Mirpal, a rural area of Pakistan) and partly because people here are holding onto a set of practices that were set when they came here and they have almost ‘fixed’ those practices in stone.

Yes.
There are muslim women that run and do sport events in the same park
www.instagram.com/sistersactivitiesclub

Its not that women have been excluded, its that women have been excluded while prepubescent girls are included.

When else is this set up acceptable?

Let's hope any girls 12 or over who want to run can just ID as male and join in. It's 'inclusive' right?

Or is there something about actual girls that mean their self ID won't be respected?

Obviously it's one of the glaring issues with TRA lack of logic that it's only people of the sex class male whose self-ID is ever respected. Funny that.

Shame I'm not nearby, I'd be all for crashing this with a 'women's and girls rights are human rights' banner and running slowly.

Though as I typed that I did wonder if it would be safe and if the police would actually protect any women running in this public park from male violence. Horrific we have got to the point that's even a question.

It's the legitimate aim that clearly missing that's the problem.

You have to demonstrate proportionality.

Including girls under 12 makes it particularly terrible as it's a reference to ability to sexually reproduce being the point at which you deliberately discriminate.

It's no ok, and yes it should be looked at and dealt with but I think government and equality watchdogs are too cowardly to do so

Which in turn serves to fuel anger and anti-islamic sentiments, so non intervention is not only weak but actually part of the problem of growing hostility.

I'm not sure it does fall foul because we already have womens only events in the uk.
Plenty.
Gyms,yoga classes,marathons,running clubs etc