Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

As with free speech, I think the general principle here is more important than the specific instance. Privately organised single-sex spaces must be allowed, even if I find them personally objectionable.

My own thoughts on single-sex spaces depends on whether they are designed to exclude or include. If a charity run was about a specific issue that affects men or that men wanted to destigmatise I would fully support it being men-only. The charity run in the OP is more about women's presence being immodest and unacceptable. It's top-down exclusion.

What I find depressing is that if this was a non-religious women-only event it would be violently protested by transactivists until the authorities decided to cancel it for 'safety reasons.' Also depressing is that the kind of single-sex segregation imposed on women by religious men is never the kind of single-sex space targeted for trans right-of-entry. Funny that.

This is 1 event. You actually don’t have to extrapolate this out as evidence that all Muslim men are monsters.

Personally, I don’t think it looks great but if the tables were turned I can easily see how women on here would say women are entitled to arrange women and kids only female events and if men want to do the same that’s up to them.

I noticed a lack of female Muslim voices in the reporting. I’d be keen to know a lot more about this story before jumping to outrage

The bigger story is the increase in hate crime against Muslims which we are being groomed to accept by the likes of the daily mail
and GB news

If a country/ wider community accepts and promotes equal rights for women, what should be done about a sub community that doesn’t.

Yes. and not only that, parts of this sub community are seeking (and receiving) greater power and influence to impose their values on others.

How many times has this been raised over the years but the left just dismisses the people as bigots and racists?

Yes, but do they include boys under 12?

Read and weep….. in the UK projected to be majority Muslim by 2100.
I would be very afraid for my daughters given the current state of affairs and this negligent Government. A very slippery slope indeed.

These are British men using a public park. When does the exclusion of women and teenage girls become noteworthy in your mind?

This. Having just a men's run for prostate cancer or something = ok, hopefully with a similar women's only (truly women's only) alongside or at another time. Including under 12 girls and not over 12 is direct discrimination on the grounds of sex and reproductive capacity.

It is illegal, but I'm fast wondering what is the point of the EHRC and government in general if they never actually punish anyone for breaking the law.

Also, this is the first step to women losing rights as they've done in Iran and Afghanistan. Anyone who can't see that is dimwitted.

The graph didn’t show but look up PEW graph of projected births.

Can you show me some examples of muslim women calling it out please because I've only heard british non muslim people men and women calling it out

Yes, absolutely. They have enough trouble fighting for their rights in their own country without it happening in the UK too. I wonder if it's up to the westernised Muslim women to fight it though. I never see them protesting actually

I can't believe that a group of non-Muslim women want to crash a race of a demographic that notoriously have low participation in sport without the women of said group leading the efforts.

They could have a men’s event without issue. We have a men’s shed and they do various fundraising events, mens mental health, prostrate cancer. This isn’t a male event though it includes girls up to 12, so what is the purpose of excluding females over 12 and is it proportionate to the aim.

See also, many UK religious charities enjoy tax breaks while promoting misogyny - https://www.secularism.org.uk/uploads/mission-and-misogyny-read-the-full-report.pdf

They protest all the time. Just about issues that they feel are relevant to their communities.

Do all golf clubs provide equal competition opportunities to women as men?

Women and girls are 'welcomed to cheer' at men's rugby and football games every week but only get to take part in smaller stadiums and at far fewer clubs. Women and girls have to travel much further to access grassroots sports that are readily available to boys and men. Women's teams are poorly funded and even high ranking teams have other jobs in a way that men don't have to.

Sexism is everywhere. The patriarchy dominates.

We are so conditioned into some of the unfairness that we don't see it or question it or protest it at all.

I think ‘the left’ are pretty divided. I think there are plenty who are dismayed by the illiberal ‘progressives’ who operate something not dissimilar to witch trials whereby there is no disproving you are indeed a witch, racist, homophobe, transphobe…..

Farage is like the pied piper for the ‘witches’. He plays a tune that tells of an understanding that wanting decency and equality isn’t bigoted. It’s very soothing!

Even Saudi Arabia has (reluctantly, under pressure) started to allow women to compete at the Olympics, including in athletics.

It is astonishing to have realised how much of the 'liberal left' stance centres men in various ways.

Do you think the average slave in Alabama was “calling out” their master? The average serf in feudal Britain?

A) I’m sure most women wouldn’t bloody dare and b) have you heard of conditioning?

It’s revolting that as soon as a girl turns 12 she’s considered fair game

I don't think they necessarily see them as "fair game"

The Hindu Council UK are now getting in on the act

Hindu Council UK’s Warnings on legislating for Islamophobia – Hindu Council UK

The war between the Hindu's and Muslims playing out between India and Pakistan is coming to the streets of the UK because there's a lot of money being funnelled into the country by Modi's National Hindu party and by Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Iran.

I think the exclusion of girls and women over 12 is appalling as it is clearly against the UK values. Had their been women and mens races separately then that would have been ok - its the fact that this specifically relates to females over 12.

Doesn't it just.

Maya Forstater has tweeted saying its legal because women could hold female only events and bring their children with them.

Good to see that she finally understands safeguarding...

A British Muslim friend of mine certainly wouldn't risk drawing attention to herself in this way, it would not be safe for her to do so.