TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

Not sure about 'No' but I do feel better with the occasional 'ODFOD'.

@WellOrganisedWoman The latest version purports an equivalence between being trans and being autistic. Which is incorrect in every which way it could be.

I think it is a development of a DARVO that arose because the Tavistock debacle has been such a setback for the ideology. When we did the NHS audit I found an NHS mental health trust signposting 'gender-questioning' young people with autism to a 'trans support' site. The site suggested that the high proportion of people with autism in the young 'trans' cohorts is because autistic people are less aware of social conventions so freer to discover their true gender identities. I suppose it is a small step from that to saying trans is equivalent to autism. It's just more gaslighting to deflect from the Tavistock horrors

Sorry you have trauma. But the worst thing to do is to engage with negativity.

I have overcome some terrible things and none of it has been helped by arguing with a twat on the Internet.

Put the power elsewhere. Such wasted energy.

If no one read them or replied they would fade away in a couple fo hours. Now that is a strong message of defiance. Nothing my abuser hated more than being irrelevant.

I’ve been here since my children were small, so about 20 years. The odd thing is I don’t think trans women are women, or that trans women should be in women’s sport, etc. But I don’t follow the party line exactly, and for that I’m eternally a clueless male-type person.

Personally, I find your contributions thought-provoking and always interesting to read. I don’t always agree with them, but I’d never suggest they should be ignored.

Oh no. I definitely don’t think that we should ignore those posts. I think we should give them all the respect and consideration they deserve.

What often happens is someone insists their goal is to say xyz sbout women, men or trans people, but when you ask them to clarify (eg 'trans' is commonly used to mean people who want to be the opposite sex, and it also refers to people with all sorts of gender categories including people who reject gender identification entirely, and it also refers to people who literally are men or women because of what they feel like as a person, meaning that 'man/woman' doesn't refer to sex at all - which of these meanings are intended?) you get no clear answer so you can't even begin to discuss it.

Again, that is not the behaviour of someone who is keen to communicate a clear position or opinion.

No-one in particular but the same patterns over the past 8 years or so. I've had about 3 people try and engage and one was alarmingly sexist, one basically agreed but concluded they "just wanted to keep out of it" after all.

Sometimes it's genuinely muddled thinking and they can't handle trying to openly and honestly examine their own views because they can sense they're wrong but don't know how to articulate it.

More often they don't actually care about communication of ideas and are here to slag off women, disabled people, neuro-diverse people etc with their fingers in their ears.

But going back to the OP, I assume they're referring to the recent influx of ploppers who post a weirdly clickbaity-written article like New Green Leader Proves Retired Women Are Committing Genocide and wait for people to get outraged.

Usually we're ignoring it to die on the vine, calmly pointing out why it's either wrong or more often "not even wrong" (look it up if that's a new term to you) or using it as a space to say that it is unrelated to the fact that sex is real and sometimes it matters. But tbh I don't even click on the titles usually as they are clearly going to be made up or designed to whip up froth.

Quite.

I completely agree. It is so toxic.

I agree - while I am not in perfect alignment with @Tandora I find her posts interesting and thoughtful. I also admire her ability to stay calm and not descend into hyperbolic attacks, even though she is frequently on the receiving end of those.

I have noticed a mob mentality on this board, where certain posters are quick to jump on those who do not 100% agree with them. It is essentially bullying. Disgusting.

Some might say that all the posters coming on to say this board is a ranting, bullying, disgusting, hive-minded mob are disproving their own assertions by posting.

Others may disagree.

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I always find 'disgusting' an interesting choice of word. It's such a strong word for women discussing women's rights in a way that is not always particularly feminine. I suspect that it is the lack of femininity that disgusts them, more than the content.

I find bullying disgusting, no need for the passive aggressive insinuations and snide retorts.

no need for the passive aggressive insinuations and snide retorts.

Indeed

Where this gets frustrating is when the effect, (and possible the purpose) of the interjections is to prevent a discussion of some other topic that is really useful or even just interesting.

We seem to see that on certain types of threads. There is a really interesting discussion on something like politics or maybe medicine, and you get some person interjecting with really basic level comments that aren't particularly relevant. Sometimes they seem to be intended to piss people off a little so they respond.

And within a page the interesting discussion is gone and everyone is explaining for the umpteenth time some basic explanation of sexual dimorphism.

It's not only tedious, it's really frustrating to lose the original conversation.

And some would say your post is rude. We all have different views.

Indeed we do.

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Humans cannot change sex.

Anyone who thinks that they can is 100% wrong.

It isn't 'mob mentality' to point this out.

Just because this is a small part of the internet where this absolutely true thing can be openly expressed does not make it an 'echo chamber' or 'toxic'.

Anyone thinking this could do with considering why so many other parts of the internet (and society) apparently want to stop people expressing this absolutely true thought.

@BettyBooper Rant away, no one cares.

Disgusting bullying

Don't be ridiculous, if you can't handle robust debate then you're in the wrong place.

Have you considered going back to Bluesky?

Quite.

You think people can change sex?

Such a toxic, echo chamber of a place but… continues to visit and post. It’s also funny when they dish out statements and advice that they could really do with taking themselves.

And why don't they post something interesting? They could describe and explain what they do and do not agree with in Tandora's posts. They could suggest some solutions that enable women to keep their single-sex spaces but that also afford as much dignity as possible to trans-identified people.