TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

Thanks, I saw it. You mentioned making space for trans people as society is meant to (I won't say does, as it's not always successful) in the same way as for ND people. I just disagree that that should be in spaces designated for specific sexes. But thanks for the post, appreciated.

Can you answer my question above?

Yes because it is a forum and the nature of those is that the same things get posted again and again. If you feel tired of that, take a break.

It's the same on this baby group I mod on Facebook. You have people who have been there years complaining that a FTM is asking about weaning.

I can't find it

Previous page, posted at 14:29

Not sure why this thread was created as there was one already only recently started before this one.

Nearly as tedious as trolls is the endless duplication and sometimes triplication of threads on FWR.

Which you are as guilty of as anyone else.

Honestly I think a bunch of NOs would be annoying.

I take two approaches with people. I give them the benefit of the doubt so long as I don't think they are being dishonest or attempting to manipulate. Whatever their opinion is.

And when I decide they aren't doing those things, or for certain posters who have form, I don't answer at all.

I think no answer at all is much more effective than saying no.

Agree, grey rock.

their purpose is to sink more important threads.

When you see an obvious community disrupter I’d go and post on some other significant threads and sink theirs. Grey rock them.

They are incapable of honesty so I treat them like any other Trumpian anti-science sneerer.

Once you've seen them argue that there both is and isn't any difference between whatever they think men and women are, they're not exactly trying to be taken seriously.

If all answers were just NO, I would have learned nothing from any of you. I would have got bored and disappeared long ago (what's that sound of cheering? hmph!). As it was, I found some posters talking sense, listened to them and learned a lot.

Erm... ???

Yep, terrible suggestion. ‘No debate’ is a bad idea, whichever ‘side’ you’re on.

Thanks for all your thoughts.

I have noted with interest that we have a new false equivalence trope being mooted.

Previously TRAs have spouted that if one does not include transwomen in the class of women the same person must obviously also have an issue with including women of colour.
This is ridiculous. It’s like saying that if you don’t include dogs with cats you must also have an issue including Persians or tuxedo cats.

And we have had not unequivocally demonstrating belief in whatever the latest batch of trans tenets is equivalent to homophobia. Newflash - it is not. Homosexual people existing does not require anyone to deny reality or be castigated.

The latest version purports an equivalence between being trans and being autistic. Which is incorrect in every which way it could be.

They are annoying and tedious yes. Two (to me) have already appeared as expected. But the reasoned and researched arguments as to why women have the right to sex based spaces and sports, away from men, and how you can’t change sex etc etc can’t be argued enough. It feels like Groundhog Day to argue the same points that are based on material reality and not ideology and feelings, over and over, to play into their hands and to get baseless ‘arguments’ back but if it peaks one person it’s worth it. It did me.

As far as the ‘hive mind’ and ‘echo chamber’ statements that regularly pop up, it’s like flat earthers wading onto an astronomy/science forum and being a bit surprised to get a bit of push back or find the majority of - shock horror - agree with each other.

Maybe this could be useful.

Thing is, I very much understand how tempting it is. And honestly, a cathartic ‘no’ is good for us all.

it is especially as despite repeated provocation from our overseas Reddit visitors, we're not allowed to just tell them to fuck off

Personal attacks are definitely not allowed and get deleted.

I don't know who 'all the people' that think that 'all the moderating rules go out of the window' are? FWR is one of the most polite online spaces I've ever been in.

Unless you're one of those maddening folk who seem to believe that disagreement equals bullying/hate/a pile on? In which case you may be disappointed.

Yes. The neurodiversity equivalence.

That to me is simply another borrowing from a future that is not likely to happen. That every person who considers themselves transgender at the moment shares this commonality? Like fuck they do. It is also just offensive. Do people with autism demand to be treated as something they can never possibly be, in law and by society?

It is just another cycle. Just another theory that lacks potential to be accurate considering it is supposed to define all transgender people. Just another attempt to arbitrate who is and isn’t according to some person’s personal criteria who is not transgender according to themselves. I will keep my opinion of who might be the type of person who is not a clinician and not transgender themselves but so heavily invested in arbitrating who is and who isn’t transgender for their own motivations.

I’ve had posts deleted for posting a biscuit and nothing else, back when a deletion meant a strike (3 and you were out).

Ignoring the trolls would be much more effective in my opinion - grey rock leaves them bored and frustrated - but there are people who want to reply and they do. Guess we all have our own way of dealing with bullies.

To add to my last sentence - agree with each other, and have evidence to back it up!

I will very happily support transpeople in using the facilities relevant to their sex. Is that what you mean?

This is also the hyperbole that I can’t be arsed with.

Does this happen? Have you examples of every ‘GC
post you’ve made has been ‘jumped on’ with ‘a everything trans is bad is vibe’. Is it not a ‘no man in women’s spaces vibe?’. If you were familiar with the board. Happy to be proved wrong…

oh hello, after your behaviour on the last thread, I'd appreciate it if you didn't @ me . Thanks.