TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

You clearly do. That's why you're here (saying nothing of substance or interest)

So if a poster say mocked a rape victim and dismissed their trauma you’d find that disgusting? I agree.

Yet here you are... 😉

Thank you @Plastictreees . So much bullying. Some ringleaders in particular, I can only imagine what they were like in the playground.

I enjoy your posts too. I'd be really interested to know where we don't align, as I often agree with your posts 😅. (Unless I've mixed you up with a different poster but I don't think so).

Yeh except that never happened and yet you continue to lie about it , obviously because you have nothing to say of substance to actually defend your arguments, so you just have to attack the person.

Great example of the bullying.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5420701-a-little-piece-of-insight

This is the thread so people can read and decide for themselves. The last few pages contain the mocking of a raped womans trauma response

'That never happened, and if it did ....'

Yeh thanks for the link. It will show clearly that the conversation had absolutely jack shit to do with rape or rape trauma.

We went through this on the last thread.

I made a mildly sarcastic comment about the burden of needing to use a few more words to ensure inclusive language. Nothing to do with rape. Nothing to do with trauma.

It was a conversation started by an entirely different user, lots of people were participating. The personal background circumstances of any given anonymous user who joined in the chat were not on my radar - nor is a remotely reasonable expectation that they should have been.

So stop telling silly lies to try to make me out to be an evil person. If you don't like what I have to say about a policy topic, then make an actual argument as to why, instead of slinging mud.

Here you all are espousing the value of "robust debate" but you can't even take a slightly sarcastic remark in a conversation about language.
Meanwhile, you think you have the right to hurl misogynistic insults at me as much as you please - e.g. calling me a "penis panderer" and a "pick me". Someone on the last thread said I was "less than human". DARVO at it's finest.

Yep.

Plus, I know Mumsnet doesn't like links, or videos, but I will keep posting this Herding Cats vid as it is cheering in difficult times, and I've learned a lot in FWR over the years as a lurker. Thanks all.

Others may be surprised to learn that "trans", in some interpretations, includes many FWR regulars. That's why when there are terms that can be used to mean differing groups, it's helpful and courteous to clarify, particularly when asked.

Exactly. The misogyny rules at play.

Thank you. As you say, people can read and decide.

The thread title is giving me an earworm. And you all must share it.

There was no mocking. It’s the same handful of posters posting the same personal attacks, hyperbole and deflections each time with a large spoonful of hypocrisy and DARVO chucked in. I think MN must be their only outlet to rage and rant, and you are the frequent target it seems.

Show the receipts of personal attacks @Plastictreees - this is a very well indexed eminently searchable forum. Surely you can’t be expecting people to simply believe something because you have declared it?

I find the “mocking and dismissal of a rape victim” accusation interesting, as I once brought up my own experience as a CSA myself and was … mocked and dismissed. Not by you, but by the usual few. I suppose it only matters when other people (ie. us) are doing it.

No you weren’t. People asked why as a survivor of SA, you didn’t seem to understand why women who had suffered SA would need single sex spaces and the trauma and distress sharing spaces with males would cause. No one mocked you. No one dismissed you.

Yes you are. You are calling for the removal of female only single sex spaces.

At the very least, own it. That is what you are arguing for. You are saying everything feminists achieved for women - our spaces and safeguards, is all for nothing and they wasted their time. You are calling for the systematic removal of female only single sex spaces. You are calling for the wholesale removal of womens rights. At least have the integrity to own what you're doing. If you say my trauma response to a male as a rape survivor doesn't matter, but transwomens trauma responses to other males matter, you are pandering to males. For goodness sake, at least, at the very, very, very least, own that.

Care to link to this particular thread?

I agree. Being ignored is far more effective. Any comment at all even just one word is the fuel they want.

I believe you. Because I've been subject to the same. @Namelessnelly also said I must be lying that I was a victim of CSA/ rape so I'm pretty sure that falls in the dismissal bucket .

That's not what I'm doing .
That is your understanding of what I am doing because of your fanatical beliefs about sex and gender and your lack of understanding about (gender/ sex) diversity.

Yes you are. You are advocating, in the absence of mixed sex (gender neutral) options, that trans women should he considered women and allowed in women-only provisions.

That destroys female-only spaces.

Twisting words to claim that a trans person's inner sense of their own sex means they are that sex is just semantics. Single sex spaces exist because of the consequences of our body sex not our [alleged] mind sex.

Cor

you said something about being rude?

I have noticed this too. It’s yet another example of the hypocrisy and lack of empathy towards those who don’t perfectly align with the same views.