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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

J.K Rowling's Position

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middler · 05/10/2025 21:20

I am not a regular on these boards but I am aware of the controversy over J K Rowling's position as I have encountered so many young people who have become very hostile with me if I do not show that I do not go along with them in their views that she is the equivalent of a racist in her attitude towards racists. I try and stay neutral and not declare my views but that is not enough for them. They want tos ee you express the same vitriol that they have so they can be assured you are on the same side. I find it so anti democratic frankly.

Privately I was relieved with the British ruling that means trans women who may well still have a penis and all the bad actors who could then take full advantage of a law that allowed transwomen into women only spaces, are not allowed to access those women spaces. I appreciate that most transwomen just want to go about leading their daily lives identifying as women and using women spaces is part of that and they have no ill intent. But many do not have bottom surgery and so yes they still have a penis as do the men who can just wake up one day and say they identify as a woman and start using those women only spaces and not have good intent? What am I missing? Why don't the younger generation see this and get that it is a huge risk to women? Do they think that there will be no bad actors? I just do not get it. The law is not to punish transwomen. It's to protect women.

I am not without sympathy for transwomen who genuinely feel uncomfortable going into male spaces. I appreciate that they identify as female but I just feel it's a conflict of rights and that you cannot sacrifice the right of women to feel safe in a women only space so that the smaller % of transwomen do not feel uncomfortable. Safety trumps comfort.

I personally would not react to a transwoman being in a female toilet but then I am aware how do I know it is a genuine transwoman and not a bad actor so I appreciate other women not being comfortable.
Maybe we need additional gender neutral toilets in this day and age.

But when this topic comes up with many younger people I can tell that the fact that I do not join in with the hatred for JK Rowling, that it puts me in the pro JK Rowling camp and I do agree with her support of ensuring that law got passed.

I am not so sure about the comments she made about kids not being trans as I think some kids as teens do seem to think they are in the wrong gender, maybe not in the large numbers that we are seeing today but clearly some people do feel they were born in the wrong gender and as a society I think we do have to support them without sacrificing the rights of an other group.

Rowling has never expressed hate for transpeople as far as I am aware. I do think she can be provocative in how she expressed her views and that is her choice but I just do not understand how the younger generation claim she is the equivalent of a racist but with trans rights? The language they use about her is so strong and I really try to avoid conversations about her because it has become so divisive- it is hard to find a millennial who does not agree with Emma Watson's viewpoint.

I am not 100% up to date with all Rowling has said but what has she said that is so bad that the younger generation have such deep hatred for her? I am just trying to understand it better and be ready to respond to the vitriol I get from younger colleagues when it comes up as it does seem to.

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GenderlessVoid · 06/10/2025 07:39

Next, while I believe that discussions about female spaces have validity - I speak as someone who has been a victim of violent male physical and sexual assault, for example - I believe that the vast majority of trans women are not, to use your helpful term, ‘bad actors’. There are of course a small number of examples of individual bad actors, including some from prisons. While I agree that is problematic and a solution is needed, I believe these examples to be the absolute exception and not the rule, as in any walk of life.

First, as has been pointed out by PP, the question is not whether particular transwomen are bad actors. Of course most of them aren't. Most men aren't bad actors either. Yet they're excluded from women's single sex spaces bc a few of them are. That's how safeguarding works. Theoretically, the ppl who think that transwomen should be allowed in women's single sex spaces need to show that transwomen are at least as safe as women, not that only a few of them are bad actors. I've never seen any evidence suggesting that transwomen are as safe to women as other women.

Second, even if transwomen were as safe as other women, many women wouldn't be able to use toilets, changing rooms, and other women's spaces and services if transwomen are allowed in those spaces. I have CPTSD and a history of childhood abuse. Some of it was men and boys raping or sexually abusing me in public toilets. If I see a man (or older boy), including transwomen, in a public toilet, I have flashbacks. Flashbacks include feeling terrified, feeling physical pain, and re-experiencing my abuse. They can last from hours to days or even weeks. So if transwomen are allowed in public toilets (or, e.g., the toilets where I work), I can't use them. Women in some religions would have the same restriction.

To those of you who say that JKR is over-reacting to transwomen in single sex spaces, how are you weighing the urinary leash that many women will have to live with if transwomen are allowed in SSS? E.g., how do you think it will affect women in abusive relationships who can no longer get a job (if transwomen are allowed in SSS there), go to school, go shopping or to public places like cafes, bars, or shopping areas without very careful planning? Isn't that restriction a harm in itself?

Many do not understand CPTSD (or other trauma reactions). They act like if I just educate myself and learn that most transwomen are not violent, my CPTSD will be fine. It doesn't work like that. I can cognitively know someone is not a risk but if something about them triggers me, I'll have flashbacks. I've had to stop interacting with close friends bc they triggered me.The cognitive part of my brain knew they were safe yet my body did not. I can't control that. If I see a man, including a transwoman, in a public loo, I will be triggered. I can't help that. Lots of women are the same. How much is our ability to use public spaces worth?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/10/2025 07:41

basically (and as always) it's not because they are trans, it's because they are men

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 07:55

Waitwhat23 · 06/10/2025 07:05

I've always found it wild that women's fight against an ideology which tells them to 'shut your face or I'll shut it for you' is framed as a right wing issue.

Or that fighting for the dignity and safety of rape survivors and women in prisons is seen as not worthy. There was literally a double rapist designated to be placed in a women's prison, following actual policy.

Or that protesting that alien face hugging colonising male trans activists trying to control how women actually do their activism (the TRA's who tried to take over the protests in Edinburgh against the overturning of reproductive rights in America, for their own agenda being one such example) is women being pushed out of their own social activism movement.

Or the total institutional capture in Scotland in which women were literally told by their elected representatives to wheesht.

'Feminism. Only men can do feminism right'.

Honestly, absolutely wild.

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Sexual violence against women is not a trans problem. The sooner your 'movement' is able to stop conflating the existence of 1% of outliers with the epidemic of sexual violence the sooner you might be able to make an impact.

Oh & it might help if you google your thought leaders Magdalen Berns, Posie Parker & Helen Joyce (who JKR openly supports) and their comments concerning 'Jewish billionaires plot to sterilise white girls' a la antisemitic racist white replacement theory if you really want to know what the far right 'alliance' is.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/10/2025 07:57

Male violence against women is a problem

trans women are men

HTH

Alucard55 · 06/10/2025 07:59

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 07:55

Sexual violence against women is not a trans problem. The sooner your 'movement' is able to stop conflating the existence of 1% of outliers with the epidemic of sexual violence the sooner you might be able to make an impact.

Oh & it might help if you google your thought leaders Magdalen Berns, Posie Parker & Helen Joyce (who JKR openly supports) and their comments concerning 'Jewish billionaires plot to sterilise white girls' a la antisemitic racist white replacement theory if you really want to know what the far right 'alliance' is.

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A "trans women" is a man. Men are the problem.

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:01

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/10/2025 07:57

Male violence against women is a problem

trans women are men

HTH

So target trans women for what the greater part of the population is responsible for? Makes sense….🤪

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 08:01

OP said - "I appreciate that most transwomen just want to go about leading their daily lives identifying as women and using women spaces is part of that and they have no ill intent."

Two things - IMHO a man entering a woman's spaces is either completely oblivious of the real world and acting as if they have bad intent, or they do have bad intent. But even if you don't accept that can you evidence your position?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/10/2025 08:03

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:01

So target trans women for what the greater part of the population is responsible for? Makes sense….🤪

Target men for a male problem? By george I think he's got it

(I know you haven't and you're just a vexatious little irritant but you do give us so many opportunities to point out trans women are men so thank you for that)

Underthinker · 06/10/2025 08:05

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:01

So target trans women for what the greater part of the population is responsible for? Makes sense….🤪

Applying exactly the same rules =/= targeting.

MarieDeGournay · 06/10/2025 08:05

Sexual violence against women is not a trans problem, it is a man problem, including men identifying as women.

There are all sorts of valid arguments based on statistics of violence, etc., but I like to keep it simple and stick to the underlying principle:
there is a clear definition of who is a man and who is a woman, it is based on biology and the UKSC has confirmed that.
Any facility, or job, or role that is designated for 'women', is designated for women as defined in law.

So to take the example of toilets, as they seem to weigh so heavy on the minds of trans identifying men: the women's toilets are for biological women.
Trans identifying men are not biological women.
Therefore they are not allowed to use the women's toilets.
Whether they are violent or lovely is irrelevant.

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 06/10/2025 08:06

On what planet is 'no, I don't consent to taking my clothes off with men' = 'targeting' men?

Go and hang out with the consenting women. That's it. That's all. Leave the non consenting ones alone. Women's lives do not revolve around what a man tells them is going on between his ears.

Alucard55 · 06/10/2025 08:07

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:01

So target trans women for what the greater part of the population is responsible for? Makes sense….🤪

No just target men.

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 06/10/2025 08:08

It's a classic MRA line isn't it? NAMALT. (So get your tits out for the lads).

These lads especially need you to.

Alucard55 · 06/10/2025 08:11

Just waiting for the "you're all transphobes" to start.

Waitwhat23 · 06/10/2025 08:11

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 07:55

Sexual violence against women is not a trans problem. The sooner your 'movement' is able to stop conflating the existence of 1% of outliers with the epidemic of sexual violence the sooner you might be able to make an impact.

Oh & it might help if you google your thought leaders Magdalen Berns, Posie Parker & Helen Joyce (who JKR openly supports) and their comments concerning 'Jewish billionaires plot to sterilise white girls' a la antisemitic racist white replacement theory if you really want to know what the far right 'alliance' is.

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I had to laugh at 'thought leaders'. Because of course women are too stupid to think for themselves, right? (/s)

And the first bit?

(To the tune of the 2 and a half Men theme tune)

Men, men, men, men, men, men, men men

Ooooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

Etc etc

Shedmistress · 06/10/2025 08:14

Sexual violence against women is not a trans problem.

Men who say they are women though are represented in prison for sexual crimes at 3 times the rate of men who don't say they are women, so it kinda IS a trans problem. And that's just the ones caught, tried and successfully jailed.

But you are 100% correct. Sexual violence against women is a man problem and this includes [at a higher rate] men who say they are women.

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:24

Waitwhat23 · 06/10/2025 08:11

I had to laugh at 'thought leaders'. Because of course women are too stupid to think for themselves, right? (/s)

And the first bit?

(To the tune of the 2 and a half Men theme tune)

Men, men, men, men, men, men, men men

Ooooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

Etc etc

If the shoe fits….

Scapegoating a 'degenerate' minority is text book cultism. It's what led to a genocide or two or three or four…

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

Hate speech and real harm | United Nations

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

TheKeatingFive · 06/10/2025 08:26

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:01

So target trans women for what the greater part of the population is responsible for? Makes sense….🤪

How do you think giving one group of men special access to women's spaces is going to help male violence against women?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/10/2025 08:26

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:24

If the shoe fits….

Scapegoating a 'degenerate' minority is text book cultism. It's what led to a genocide or two or three or four…

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

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Men are not a minority

next!!!!

TheKeatingFive · 06/10/2025 08:27

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:24

If the shoe fits….

Scapegoating a 'degenerate' minority is text book cultism. It's what led to a genocide or two or three or four…

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

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Expecting men to obey the law is not 'hate speech' you absolute melt

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 06/10/2025 08:30

Sexual violence against women is not a trans problem.

Quite. Trans ideology has no problem with it at all, the ideology is fine with it. It's fine with all forms of use and abuse of women.

Alucard55 · 06/10/2025 08:31

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:24

If the shoe fits….

Scapegoating a 'degenerate' minority is text book cultism. It's what led to a genocide or two or three or four…

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

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NO.

Waitwhat23 · 06/10/2025 08:34

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:24

If the shoe fits….

Scapegoating a 'degenerate' minority is text book cultism. It's what led to a genocide or two or three or four…

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

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Men are a 'degenerate' minority now?

TheKeatingFive · 06/10/2025 08:35

Howseitgoin · 06/10/2025 08:33

I asked how it was going to HELP women