Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1

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Didn't Sandie's get derailed early doors due to idiots doing things they shouldn't? Hence them changing locations.

We didn't find out for a long time what had been going on.

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash what Monday afternoon was all about at some point.

Not in my house!!!

Pftttt filthy stuff.

It's alright he's gone to the pub to drown his sorrows.

Thank you, I had missed this! Oh well, he will learn more about all the things wrong with him when we resume in the morning.

In the Fife case it was glorious to notice that on every occasion that a witness behaved badly towards the end of the day, they were thoroughly eviscerated in the next session.

Elderly relative turns up and observes: The decorating is taking a while.
Me: Yes. Lots of fiddly bits to be sorted, so it's been a bit slow today.

< My nose grows longer>

@Boiledbeetle wrote:
Didn't Sandie's get derailed early doors due to idiots doing things they shouldn't? Hence them changing locations.
We didn't find out for a long time what had been going on.

I don't know about that. Was it protestors outside, or similar? Could you kindly say a bit more?
I do know that we lost online access partway through the February hearings, through some 'observers' making a lot of noise. It didn't stop the hearings, though.

Was gutted to miss the glorious NC in action today - but can listen in tomorrow.

Pray tell, what time is she resuming her dismantling of the patriarchy's footman tomorrow?

I once worked on a team of engineers that was 50/50 men/women, with a male team leader. One of the male engineers complained about the ratio, saying 'women have taken over the team'.

I don't know what Monday was about but With Sandie it got moved to a different location because of credible threats to people involved. And that fact was kept quiet until the very end.

Just catching up with you all.

This was fucking glorious.

I'm assuming it's the normal 10 am start

I think I heard 10am.

I did not know that. Thank you.

I find it astonishing that Companies send employees into a tribunal WITHOUT properly explaining to them how a bundle works
AND
"suggesting" that they google the barrister for the claimant

It was something like that anyway, I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct my memory 😁

Lyndsay Watson threatened Naomi
that came out in the Glinner hearing

Thank you for all your wonderful comments. This is Mumsnet at its best: all the explainations of proceedings coupled with cats & biscuits - bliss. I see NC has lost none of her evisceration skills: she'd make an excellent butcher if she fancies a new line of work.

Someone earlier pointed out that Andy must be nearing retirement age, so I'm wondering now if that's one of the reasons he was chosen to be thrown under the Naomi bus - he'll be allowed back to work after this for a short time to save face and then he'll be gone, only slightly ahead maybe of the expected date.

Too much?...

And the judge.

from @Maerchentante
Are the links in the Februar post redirecting because it would go to their intranet or because there was a big clean up session?

Not sure. I'm not very IT-literate so apols for clunky longwinded explanation.

I don't think the links would go to their intranet because this is their public facing website.

I think some of the links redirect because parts of the uk site have been given new names, so, eg, the people-careers pages are now just called people pages, and that kills previous hyperlinks. Not necessarily a clean up as its a massive website that will necessarily need continual updating.

To find as much as I could, when searching last week, I used the archive.org chrome extension to open that February page at its oldest version, and from there I could click more links without them redirecting.

So here is the current pride network page which as far as I can see had just moved to a different address: https://uk.leonardo.com/en/people/life-at-leonardo/inclusion-and-diversity/network-groups/pride

The interview with Sam Bone has been cleaned and I can post a screenshot of what happens to the link when archive.org is thinking about it, if anyone is interested. (But if anyone else would report that to mumsnet for deletion, please speak up and I'll concede and save us all some time and effort.)

Like many others posting on here I too I have a secret crush on Naomi

I've just googled Lynsay Watson. I do not suggest you do the same.
Not a person I would ever like to meet.

Watson was online (Bluesky) encouraging people to make a citizen's arrest if Dr Upton was misgendered, iirc. Threats were made towards Naomi and the judge. This was made public in the proceedings on the last day.

I imagine he hasn’t followed the Fife case very closely. I don’t think he was prepared for any of this. ETs don’t usually get much interest and he has failed to understand that things have changed.

Remarkably foolish and arrogant. It's not like it wasn't in the mainstream media....