Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

I can't wait until she gets to P for Pete.

He's gone quiet when asked if he agrees with qu's so Naomi has changed her tack and now wants him to speak out if he disagrees. I love her so much. He is trapped.

I think MK is enjoying this, I'm sure I can see a little secret smile. She looks very Mona Lisa sitting there

NC is going through the glossary alphabetically.
'And then we reach all the T's..'

It's delicious.

From TT

NC - also GI, sex assigned at birth you see these contentious in the same way
AL - yes
NC - won't continue, but almost all GI view - homo/heterosexual, masc, Mx, pansexual, phobia, queer, sex on 198, all the T's. That doc is permeated with GI theory.
AL - ?
NC - sheer number

This is bloody marvelous!

They are going to lose this, aren't they.

I have a shelf half hanging off the wall because she said that when I was messing with speakers and I collapsed on the floor laughing.

I'm not familiar with Eliot, much so I dont know this quote-
It looks like he was taking the piss out of
When I am old and grey and nodding by the fire😁

edited to put the T in Eliot's name - leaving the T out is even worse than putting two T's in!

So they took that glossary down because MK complained, and he knows that but at the same time he didn't know it.

Sir, I believe you are what we would call an absolute numpty

From TT

NC - strongly GI focussed
AL - yes
NC - in 2020 strongly aligned on GI
AL - it was 2020, don't know rationale for it being there
NC - change in rationale since 2020?
AL - trying to be increasingly inclusive, dignity of all employees and express in equality policies

NC - pg 520 - one final qu was taken down because MK objected
AL - yes, aware there were comments that were objected to
NC - were you aware when I was asking you about it
AL - was aware of it but hadn't seen it myself
NC - 520 start of your current diversity training

What question was he foolish enough to ask??

When you are old and grey and full of sleep, ??

He didn't get the chance!

Have a poster instead

Here you go.

@ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews NC asked if he / Leonardo collected data on sex, and he asked if they would be allowed to do that, and NC said she asked the questions

I can sense Pete approaching...

From TT

AL - yes I believe it is the digital training
NC - 556 - similar prob to the glossary, sex defined as a persons gender ID
AL - page?
NC - 556, definition comfortable with that
AL - a commercial product we;ve been given, if it needs to be reviewed then
NC - in chief, you were

NC - asked when men were allowed to use F toilets, you said it's been the practice as long as you recall
AL - never been asked about it, never aware of a policy, not aware of any correspondence about it. understanding through investigations it's just accepted

I would feel sorry for him, but I remember MK's testimony about how badly he and others treated her

When did the child of the previous CEO join Leonardo? Sam B?

ST can too!

What’s that coming over the hill…is it a plumber??

From TT

NC - as long as you remember?
AL - sound issues
NC - as long as you remember goes back, when did you join L?
AL - 1977, not always in this role
NC - when did you move from eng to personnel?
AL - probably 1990
NC - are you telling Trib if in 1990 a man came in a dress and make up

He is the only witness they have put forward. What he knows or doesn't know is for them to worry about..

Hahahaha Naomi will be asking 'quite a few' hypothetical questions.

Please let Pete join the tribunal

Loving this!!!